The Sex Ed Revolution: A portrait of the powerful political bloc that’s waging war on Queen’s Park
Azeem Mohammed, a 38-year-old stay-at-home dad from East York, is the school council chair at Thorncliffe Park Public School. It’s a volunteer position that he takes very seriously. Azeem and his wife, Sufia, are Muslims from Hyderabad, India. They left comfortable jobs overseas so their children could get a better education in Canada. Sufia teaches physiotherapy at a college in Scarborough. Azeem has two master’s degrees, but he stopped working three years ago to care for the kids—three girls and a boy, all under 10. The Mohammeds are active members of the Liberal party, and both voted for Kathleen Wynne in the last election. As they learned more about the impending sex ed curriculum, however, they began to have serious doubts.
On February 23, moments after Minister of Education Liz Sandals unveiled the curriculum at a Queen’s Park press conference, Azeem went online to read it for himself. He scrolled through 239 pages, looking for offensive content. Then he did a search. “I looked for one word: pleasure,” he explains. He discovered passages about understanding what gives you pleasure, the benefits of relationships, and how to make safe and healthy decisions about sexual activity. For Azeem, the very presence of the word was a deal-breaker. Why would a so-called educational document need to tell children about sexual pleasure? Why not just stick to the biological facts? The search revealed enough information to confirm his worst fears. “I got everything I was looking for,” he says. That’s when Azeem Mohammed became an anti–sex ed activist.
Last winter, the subject of sex ed exploded like a supernova in Ontario. It was discussed on Punjabi drive-time radio, featured on Chinese talk shows, described in apocalyptic terms in community newspapers distributed at strip malls and supermarkets. In churches and mosques across the GTA, anti–sex ed activists organized information sessions to teach other parents about the contents of a document they deemed immoral, radical and dangerous. On Facebook and the messaging app WeChat, groups began sprouting up with interchangeable, family-oriented names—Parents Alliance of Ontario, Parents as First Educators, Coalition of Concerned Parents. They were often led by people with little experience in activism, and quickly attracted thousands of passionate members, who shared articles critical of the curriculum and organized rallies. “This is not a sex education curriculum but rather a sex promotion curriculum,” wrote a member of Parents Against Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum, a Facebook group with over 5,700 followers.
The rallies seemed to take the province by surprise. In March, Chinese-Canadian protesters shut down a sex ed information session led by Liberal MPPs in Scarborough. A month later, thousands showed up at Queen’s Park to noisily demand the Liberals revert to the old curriculum. And on May 4, the Mohammeds were among thousands of GTA parents who pulled their kids from school as part of what they called a “student strike.” In Toronto, almost 35,000 kids stayed home that Monday, with thousands more absent in Peel and York regions. At the Mohammeds’ school in Thorncliffe Park, only 130 of the 1,350 students showed up for school that first day. For an entire week, classrooms sat almost empty while the nearby parks were swarming with kids. “Unfortunately, the children will be the ones who miss out on their learning,” Sandals said at the time.
Five years ago, when Dalton McGuinty’s Liberals tried (unsuccessfully) to update the sex ed curriculum, the loudest howls of outrage came from the same white, Christian social conservatives who show up to protest gay marriage and abortion. This time, the protests have primarily been led by new Canadians: Muslims and Sikhs from the outskirts of the city, Chinese evangelicals from Thornhill and Markham, Coptic and Russian Orthodox Christians from Scarborough and Peel. Sex education has created unlikely alliances between groups who rarely find themselves on the same side of an issue, with new Canadians from around the globe finding common cause with each other and native-born conservatives not generally known for their welcoming views on immigration. The result is something new in Ontario: a multicultural army of social conservatives who are angry, energized and eager to test their political power.
The Ontario Health and Physical Education Curriculum is a government document outlining the required learning plan, grade by grade, for every student in the province. It’s written in the high-minded, almost comically sensitive language of the liberal educator. Sex ed is just one small section of the document, which also includes discussions about mental health and chapters on cultural sensitivity. It has sections about proper eating habits, lessons on maintaining a healthy body image and carefully considered paragraphs about the best possible way to jump. (“When you are in the air, squeeze your muscles so your body stays in control,” it instructs.) Not surprisingly, most of this content has gone completely unnoticed. The pages about sexuality, however, have been endlessly dissected—fretted over, glorified or hopelessly distorted, depending on the reader.
When it comes to sex, the new curriculum introduces a few major changes. In Grade 1, students learn the names of their genitalia, including penis, testicles, vagina and vulva (the old curriculum wasn’t so specific). Because kids’ bodies are developing at a younger age than in previous generations, they learn about puberty in Grade 4 instead of Grade 5. The curriculum covers affirmative consent and the dangers of sexting. Where the old version avoided the words “gay,” “lesbian” and “homosexual,” the new one introduces students to same-sex couples in Grade 3 and addresses gender identity in detail in Grade 9.
For the most part, the changes bring Ontario in line with other provinces. Ontario students will learn about puberty a year earlier than students in Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, but they’ll learn about their anatomy a year later than kids in British Columbia, Alberta and Manitoba. Ontario’s new curriculum is more progressive than its counterparts in much of the U.S., where a third of teenagers have never received formal instruction about birth control, but less so than in the Netherlands, where learning about healthy sexuality starts in kindergarten.
According to the government, the new curriculum is based on hard facts. “We’re just keeping up with the public health data,” says Liz Sandals. And the facts indicate that 22 per cent of Grade 9 and 10 students have had sex and that the chlamydia rate in teenagers has jumped 80 per cent in the past two decades. “The evidence overwhelmingly shows that if you give kids information as their bodies are changing, they’ll make better decisions and actually delay sexual activity,” she adds. The ministry created the document after surveying the school council chairs at all 4,000 elementary schools in Ontario.
Jotvinder Sodhi was one of the parents surveyed. He’s a father of two who works as a quality assurance technologist at a factory that makes injection mouldings. He’s never been shy about making a fuss. Two years ago, when Sodhi moved into a new subdivision carved out of the northern edge of Brampton, he noticed deficiencies in the design of his house. He spoke to his neighbours, found they had similar complaints, and launched a homeowners’ association to fight the developers.
The sex ed questionnaire, he says, was hopelessly general. Instead of revealing the specific details of the curriculum, it asked parents to indicate whether they agreed with statements like “It is important to me that my child(ren) are exposed to all kinds of diversity through the school curriculum”—the kind of benignly vague sentiments that anyone would agree with. The surveys, Sodhi believes, were a sham that allowed the government to say they’d consulted parents without actually doing so. “I feel guilty,” he says. “If I knew then what I know now, I would have scrapped that paper.”
I spoke to Sodhi on a Saturday in June as he relaxed after spending the week working during the day and attending sex ed strategy meetings at night. Sodhi came to Canada from the Punjab region of India in 1999 with his wife, Kulwinder. The couple have a 13-year-old daughter, Jasmine, who, Sodhi proudly told me, recently appeared on the CBC promoting an app she is co-creating to help autistic students learn math. They also have a 15-year-old son named Karamjot—a tall, baby-faced kid with a wisp of a moustache, who brought us two glasses of water, carefully balanced on a tray.
Like many sex ed protesters, Sodhi isn’t a stereotypical Conservative voter. He’s a former Liberal from a Sikh community that has, until recently, been a stronghold for the party. He’s drawn to causes where individuals are pitted against larger forces, like massively wealthy housing developers or indifferent governments.
On the topic of sex ed, however, he is staunchly conservative. When he read the new curriculum, he was appalled that kids in Grade 1 would be asked to learn the names of their genitalia when they should be practising the alphabet. He was outraged by what the document leaves out: any mention of the word “love” or lessons about the benefits of marriage. And he was angry with Kathleen Wynne, who claimed that anti-gay sentiment was at least partially driving the protests. “Kathleen Wynne talks about bullying?” he says, leaning in. “She’s bullying us by calling us homophobes.”
Sodhi quickly transformed his homeowners’ association into a lobby group and began holding meetings in Brampton, rallying opposition to the new curriculum. Most of the time, Sodhi is quiet and circumspect. When he speaks about sex ed, he gets heated, his voice hitting a higher register as he attacks the government’s “radical sex agenda.” Sodhi is not a natural politician or public speaker. Last year, he ran an unsuccessful campaign for a seat on Brampton regional council. But he’s passionate, and with the sex ed curriculum—a subject that hits parents at a visceral level—he has found a willing audience.
While Sodhi was mobilizing the Sikh community, he was also connecting allies online. He found old-guard social conservatives—people like provincial Conservative Monte McNaughton and former school trustee Sam Sotiropoulos—as well as grassroots organizers in distant parts of the city. Sodhi says opposition to the curriculum has helped him break across racial and religious lines that can sometimes seem impermeable. “When Muslim members come to our meetings, we take a five-minute break for their prayers. Christian members come. Jewish members come. Can you imagine?” he says, eyes wide. “That it would ever happen, these things? It’s happening every day now.”
One of the parents setting up her own ad hoc lobby group was Christina Liu. She’s a 41-year-old language teacher who came to Canada 12 years ago from China, where political activism is not something one does casually. Liu and her husband, an IT programmer, have a nine-year-old son and an 18-month-old daughter. Until now, she’s been too busy working and raising her kids to get involved in politics.
She says the dangers of the sex ed curriculum pushed her to action. The new curriculum isn’t mandatory. Parents who object to the material are allowed to remove their children from sex ed classes. But that puts the onus on them rather than the province. “We pay taxes, so we’re entitled to ask for the right curriculum,” Liu says. “Why should I correct the government’s mistake by pulling my kids out? Why don’t you correct the curriculum?” Some people are worried that removing their kids from sex ed classes will make their children vulnerable to bullying, or that the students who learn about sex will immediately share their second-hand information with the rest of the class.
Liu used WeChat, a popular app in China, to recruit more than 3,000 people to her advocacy group. On March 12, she organized a protest at a public information meeting that was being held at Agincourt Collegiate. Hundreds of people came out, chanting and holding signs reading “Too early too soon.” The result was ugly: a room of people yelling at the Liberal MPPs who had organized the meeting, then arguing with other parents. Eventually the MPPs were forced to shut down the session. A few weeks later, the leaders of various anti–sex ed groups from across the GTA met for the first time, in a community centre in Mississauga. Liu was thrilled to find so many people from different parts of the city—and the world—all working toward the same goal. “It finished around 9:30, but people still didn’t want to go,” Liu says. “We were so happy to see each other.”
Since then, she has been working up to 10 hours a day on this issue—organizing rallies, printing up posters, chartering buses to protests. Liu is Christian, part of a growing group of Chinese evangelicals who congregate in plazas and mega-churches across north Toronto. Like Sodhi and Mohammed, Liu and her husband left an entire life behind for the sake of their children’s education. “We thought that in this society, you make sure your kids have very good academic achievement and they will find a job and get married,” Liu tells me. “Now we realize we have to be actively involved to protect our rights.”
I met Liu at a Tim Hortons in a Thornhill plaza next to a Congee Queen and a Montana’s. She wore a tank top and flip-flops, pink highlights streaking her hair. At the end of our conversation, Farrah Ng, a 22-year-old Ryerson grad with chunky black glasses, interrupted us. “Sorry, I overheard you guys talking about the sex education program,” she said. “I appreciate that you’re advocating against that.” Ng had heard about the new curriculum through her church and believes it contravenes everything she’s ever learned. “We value gender as in a man being created as a man and a female being created as a female, in the Bible,” she said.
“Do you use WeChat?” Liu asked. She tapped her phone. A QR code appeared and Ng scanned it—another member to add to a growing movement. Liu beamed. “You see?” she said triumphantly. “That’s how you get members. Even when you are in Tim Hortons you find people who are against the curriculum.”
“Can I pray for you, Christina?” Ng asked. She clasped Liu’s hand. “Dear Heavenly Father. We thank you Lord for providing Christina in our lives. We ask that you move in her heart and continue to help her advocate against this. We pray this in the name of Jesus.” Liu thanked her and went on her way—off to order flyers before heading to another information session.
Sex education has always been plagued by two contradictory fears: what might happen if kids remain ignorant, and what they might get up to if they learn the truth. During World War II, advocates pushed for a provincial sex ed plan to stave off the wave of venereal disease spread by returning soldiers. It materialized in 1948, when a teachers’ committee proposed a “Family Life Education” curriculum for Ontario students in grades 7 and 8 that would include information about menstruation and intercourse, gestation and childbirth. The emphasis then, as now, was on harm prevention. And just like today, critics attacked the curriculum for teaching biological facts without ethical instruction. “To initiate children of 12 and 13 into the mysteries of the sex function in human life without providing them with at least some idea of the need for moral discipline is courting trouble,” read a Globe and Mail editorial. A group of teachers protested, and the proposal was shelved. An official sex ed curriculum wasn’t instituted for almost two decades.
Advocates for the new curriculum tend to present it as a simple matter of modernization. The document hasn’t been changed since 1998. It’s an artifact of a pre-Facebook, pre-smartphone era. A new version, the argument goes, simply updates the facts about sex the same way a new science curriculum updates the facts about Pluto. But a curriculum is not a value-neutral document. It’s an expression of a society’s principles, a means of shaping the world by declaring what citizens of the future must know. It needs to be updated, not because technology has changed, but because our values have changed.
When critics attack the new curriculum for not containing the word “love” and not spending enough time discussing marriage, they’re pushing back against society’s shift toward secular liberalism. The coalition between native-born conservatives and new Canadians is part of a larger international trend, according to Jonathan Zimmerman, a professor of education and history at New York University. “The major inhibitor in sex ed is globalization,” says Zimmerman. “The more people move across borders, the more problematic it becomes to create any kind of consensus around something like sex education.”
Left-wingers tend to dismiss the protests as the product of ignorance or Conservative party manipulation or fanatical lunacy. And some parents are misinformed about the content of the curriculum. Others are confusing the core curriculum (material that must be taught) with the non-mandatory “prompts” meant to help teachers answer questions that might arise—about masturbation, vaginal lubrication and anal sex, for instance. Last winter, an anonymous letter in Arabic was posted throughout Peel Region, warning parents that kids would learn to reveal their private parts in Grade 1 and that “Grade 6 is about the promotion of self-discovery through masturbation.”
But despite the fear-mongering and propaganda, most of the protesters I spoke to knew exactly what they were fighting against: a curriculum that treats premarital sex as a pragmatic reality instead of a sin, that describes masturbation as normal and healthy, and that reflects without judgment the various sexual and gender identities that exist in this province. To write off parental concerns as ignorance is to avoid the uncomfortable reality that many Torontonians have values that are impossible to square with this kind of curriculum—values that don’t change the minute you get off a plane. Toronto’s much-touted multiculturalism goes deeper than restaurants and festivals. Real diversity means diverse opinions about fundamental principles. And sex education, with all its thorny attendant issues around how to raise children and how to think about your body, whether to stay celibate and who to love, is one place where these divergent principles clash most dramatically.
The rallying cry at protests last winter was “My child, my choice.” Parents believe that the government is forcing sexual material on children who aren’t ready for it. “The biggest sin of this curriculum is that it treats kids as miniature adults, assuming that they have fully developed logic, that they have reason,” says Ghada Melek, a Coptic Christian who came to Canada from Egypt and now works as a senior manager at a large accounting firm. “My nine-year-old still doesn’t know the word vulva,” Christina Liu told me. “If you give kids the terminology, what they’ll do is look it up.”
Both Liu and Jotvinder Sodhi warned me about what happens when you look up the word “vulva” on YouTube. One of the first search results is an ad for a scent called Vulva Original. In it, a blonde woman gyrates in a bra and underwear, wriggling out of her panties before holding them to her face and, in a gesture that is perhaps less appealing than intended, giving them a deep, sensual sniff. Liu showed me screenshots from the video. “Do you think a six-year-old should watch this?”
I said I didn’t. The video is unsettling and erotically perplexing for an adult man, let alone a curious Grade 1 student. Of course, a woman squirming around in a bra is the top search result for just about any word you enter into YouTube. Search for “girl” and you get “Girl Walks Around NYC With No Pants!” followed by a comedy short featuring a blonde sex worker and her customer going at it in a variety of positions. Innocently type in “mom,” and “My Friend’s Hot Mom”—a video that exhibits problematic ideas about both friendship and motherhood—appears at the top of the list.
The new curriculum is premised on the idea that this kind of content is unavoidable in 2015. “I’m not sure parents are aware of the changes that have occurred since they went to school,” says Gerri Gershon, the trustee for Don Valley West. “I’m talking about the Internet and the media in general. Kids are exposed to so much more than they were at a much earlier age.” She thinks the best thing we can do is give students sensible, accurate information, because it is impossible for parents to police their children 24 hours a day. For many of the parents I spoke to, however, this attitude is defeatist.
When I asked Azeem Mohammed, the father of four from Thorncliffe Park, whether he genuinely believes it’s possible to shield his children from talk of sex, he didn’t miss a beat. “Yes,” he said flatly, as if I’d just asked the stupidest question in the world. The Mohammeds describe themselves as active parents. They have controls on the Internet and monitor their children’s activities. Azeem talks disdainfully about parents who let their kids use cellphones, who don’t check the contents of their knapsacks when they return home from school.
Like all the protesters I spoke to, he told me that the demonstrations were driven by love for their children, not any kind of hate. Still, the undercurrent of homophobia has been impossible to ignore. The parents I interviewed had read the curriculum backward and forward and could quote it chapter and verse. Their interpretation, however, seemed uncharitable at best, ascribing sinister motives to passages so blandly innocuous, it was difficult to believe we were looking at the same document.
At various points, the curriculum encourages students to go to a “trusted adult” for help. This, some protesters told me, is an attempt to lure kids away from their parents or, even worse, to empower teachers who might have dark designs on their children. In conversation after conversation, parents spoke about the dangers of anal sex. It was drastically disproportionate to the reality of the curriculum, which raises the subject in a section of optional teacher prompts. Even then, it’s only mentioned in the context of abstaining or avoiding STIs.
In protests and online messages, parents talk about “indoctrination.” Others, like Jotvinder Sodhi, feel that the curriculum forces kids to think about gender and sexual identity too early. “Let’s say my son likes pink,” he remarked. “You are saying, ‘Oh, you like pink?’ Then you’re slowly moving toward, ‘Oh, you may be a girl now.’ ” I told him that seemed like a bit of a jump. “It’s not a jump. It’s not a jump!” he said, his voice rising. “You have books in classrooms that have two mothers, two fathers! Why is that agenda being taught in the schools?” Some kids may have same-sex parents, Sodhi acknowledged, but why should that minority dictate what happens in the entire class? “If one kid is sick, do you treat the whole classroom?”
Many parents worry that the curriculum is not simply acknowledging the reality of homosexuality, but somehow inculcating their children, encouraging them to become gay. “It’s not just reading the lines, but reading between the lines,” Azeem Mohammed explained to me. And between the lines, protesters see evidence of a radical curriculum—a sexually permissive agenda led by a gay premier.
On a bright Sunday in June, more than 2,000 people gathered on the grass in front of Queen’s Park. The demonstration was the first event held by the coalition of protesters, now officially united under the umbrella group Canadian Families Alliance. The day had a festival atmosphere, with families picnicking on blankets, grandmothers eating sunflower seeds, girls in head scarves dribbling basketballs. In one corner of the park, Muslim men knelt on prayer rugs, facing Mecca. On a blanket a few metres away, Chinese-Canadian Christians sat in a circle, praying together.
Throughout the afternoon, yellow school buses pulled up to Queen’s Park, unloading families from Flemingdon Park and North York, Brampton and Mississauga. Farina Siddiqui, a Mississauga activist, was moderating the event, standing before the crowd in a purple hijab and boxy sunglasses. After broadcasting the national anthem, she took to the microphone to remind the group that they were there as concerned parents. “There should not be any anti-gay or anti-religion language,” she told the crowd. “We need to show our Canadian values.”
The mandate for moderation lasted about five minutes. “Kathleen Wynne has turned our schools into an unsafe place for our children,” thundered Maggie Amin, one of the leaders behind the Canadian Families Alliance. “A place where transgenderism will be promoted on our children. A place where gender fluidity is promoted.” Her voice boomed through the park, echoing from speakers that had been set up every few metres. “We are not homophobic. We live side by side with the LGB. But how is it fair that such a minority, in order to have or gain acceptance and affirmation from society, that we, our children, this generation, is indoctrinated into their lifestyles? HOW IS THAT FAIR?” As the crowd cheered, Amin handed out buttons: “I’m a girl, don’t confuse me” in pink and “I’m a boy, don’t confuse me” in blue.
As the afternoon wore on, speaker after speaker came to the microphone. Christina Liu read from a single sheet of paper, her voice wavering with passion as she called on the assembled to fight for their parental rights. Jotvinder Sodhi delivered a rambling speech, becoming slightly flustered and veering off track to lament the way the Wynne government’s radical sex agenda had been forced on the province’s kids. “They are so young, they are so innocent,” he said, his voice heavy with emotion. “Why does Kathleen Wynne want to break their innocence at such a young age?”
After hours of speeches, the crowd assembled to march down University Avenue. At the head of the parade, Sodhi and Siddiqui clambered onto the back of a rented flatbed truck, joining other organizers at the forefront of a new movement. As the caravan began to move, a man on the truck led the crowd in a call-and-response chant. “Kathleen loser,” he yelled, his voice raspy after an afternoon of shouting.
“Loser, loser!” the crowd answered back.
“Liberal loser!” he shouted.
“Loser, loser!” said the crowd.
“Lesbian loser!” he shouted, before another organizer hurriedly wrestled the microphone away from him. The truck rolled on and the chants resumed. “We say no! We say no!”
Organizers believe the sex ed curriculum could be the first issue for a new bloc of voters. Already, many parents are threatening to home-school their children. At the rally, a private Islamic school handed out flyers advertising for September. Come fall, Azeem Mohammed vowed, Thorncliffe Park Public School will be a ghost town. Sodhi envisions a populist uprising of families who have been left out of the political process. “Do you think I was a leader before?” Sodhi asked. He rhymed off a list of activists from across the GTA who have emerged from these protests. “Do you think they were leaders before? This is new blood. And new blood willing to do something for society.”
So far, the Liberal government hasn’t budged. School boards will start teaching the curriculum this month and parents will be free to remove their children from class. The opposition parties have also disappointed the protesters, with the Conservatives slowly distancing themselves from the cause. The movement will need to regroup. “Parents will never stop until this is corrected,” Christina Liu warned me. But the political fight was looking increasingly hopeless.
In the larger battle, too, it was difficult to imagine the parents at Queen’s Park having much success. The idea that a curriculum will indoctrinate straight kids into becoming gay is absurd, but the fear that your children will one day come home with alien values is very real. The five-year-old girls holding signs that read “Keep me innocent” and the boys scuffing soccer balls through the thick grass—these kids won’t inherit all of their parents’ beliefs and prejudices. The story of second-generation kids battling their parents, of old-world beliefs bumping up against new, is a familiar one, a wrenching transition that’s at the heart of the immigrant experience and much larger than any curriculum. Only rarely, however, do you get to see those foreign values written down in black and white, in a single government document you can hold in your hand, point to, and declare: “We say no.”
Glad to see it’s conservatives from India that are championing this outrage… When I see video of the rallies on the news I was somewhat shocked to see how much of the crowd was comprised of immigrants. I’m going to get a ton of hate for this but I don’t believe that our education system should be influenced by the conservative religious beliefs of other countries. I think immigrants are an invaluable part of our society and frankly even white people have for the most part only been here for a few generations but I think we need to ensure that our education system remains objective and isn’t influenced by the conservative values of the east.
Also, give me a break, objecting to the word “pleasure” is based on the same backwards ideology that the middle east is ever so slowly reforming. There’s no need to move backwards here where we have a relatively progressive society. Will we be rolling back our women’s rights too while we’re at it too?
A portrait of regressive, barbaric tribes of savages, you mean.
Furthermore, that the author would see fit to write this article in 2015 is vomit-worthy.
Good article. We can’t allow our education policy to be compromised to the lowest common denominator. Canadians should be proud of our progressive and inclusive society which is based on science and reason, not superstition and inherited prejudices. Much of the outrage is based on values from a primitive world view based in religion or old-world cultures. We don’t have to respect every third world ‘value’ that people might hold.
Maybe next TL can do a profile on Klan members and Neo-Nazis. Should expand the readership.
This is a very good exanple why Canada needs to ensure that it is also receiving more immigrants from developed Countries. And the joke is that many of the objectors come from places where they have no rights.
I see the comments will mostly consist of brainwashed neo-Liberal “westerners” with no clue as to the real values, morals, and ethics espoused by some of the above named religions and cultures. I also see we live in a society where if you choose to not abide by the status quo or by what “society” tells you, you must be relegated to the ranks of ‘savage’ or dismissed as an immigrant, nevermind the fact that critically thinking people have (actually) been born and raised in Canada and can share the viewpoint that the new sex-ed curriculum teaches too much too early. No one is saying it should not be updated — but that does not a green signal make, for teaching to young impressionable minds the very new, and in some cases unusual ways of expressing sexuality.
Heaven forbid kids learn new and “unusual” things in school.
Indeed. Especially when it comes to sex. And in fact, that is probably the most unusual topic they’d learn about, considering our industrialized school system does not teach critical thinking, it teaches obedience, conformity, and memorization. I’ll leave the new and exciting ways to explore sexuality to personal one-on-one conversations for when I deem my child has developed enough mentally to understand it, tyvm.
The curriculum was designed by critically-thinking professionals who are serious about what they’re doing. Your opinion has been considered and rejected.
Oh boy, the irony is heavy in this one. Most of the people protesting have come here to take advantage of the benefits of living in one of the world’s most progressive societies, yet they wish to impose their cultural conditioning.
While these superstitious belief systems are typically programmed at a young, impressionable age, surely the ability to reason takes over at some point. This type of behaviour treats children as possessions rather than free human beings.
Tolerance should not apply to coddling the intolerant. An individual in Canada is free to believe any arbitrary notion they wish, but they should not be given a platform to argue against scientific knowledge and common sense.
Maybe that was your experience. It certainly wasn’t mine.
By the sounds of it, I doubt you possess adequate knowledge about sexuality and gender to impart any sort of education.
“Some kids may have same-sex parents, Sodhi acknowledged, but why should
that minority dictate what happens in the entire class? “If one kid is
sick, do you treat the whole classroom?” Oh the hypocrisy.
If you come to Canada to take advantage of the opportunities and progressive nature of our country, please do – we are happy to have you.
However, you do not get to pick and choose which parts of our culture and society you deem agreeable and cry foul against the rest.
If you don’t like the way society is here in Canada – PLEASE LEAVE and go back to the religious dustbins from whence you came.
Ng’s comments of “We value gender as in a man being created as a man and a female being created as a female, in the Bible” echoes the transphobia headlines of the last few months. Perhaps she would benefit from a lesson from GetREAL. Children keeping their innocence for a year more years, sure, a topic to be considered. But using Sex Ed as a rigid lesson of gender, sexual relationships per the Bible, not so much. Or should we also go back to teaching that dinosaurs never existed?
your doubts shall have zero value when it comes to the education imparted to my offspring :)
Irony is that it’s the same group of people that have benefited from a liberal immigration policy that they have an opportunity to be in the position to protest a liberal education policy. People are just dumb
“‘We are not homophobic. We live side by side with the LGB. But how is it
fair that such a minority, in order to have or gain acceptance and
affirmation from society, that we, our children, this generation, is
indoctrinated into their lifestyles? HOW IS THAT FAIR'”
THIS is why I have issues with religion sometimes. I’m sorry, but INDOCTRINATED? What if your child, one day, comes out to you? What would YOU say? I don’t feel INDOCTRINATED by the so-called “gay lifestyle,” which, by the way, IS NOT a lifestyle. People CHOOSE a lifestyle – my lifestyle is a downtown, condo-dwelling gal with plans to raise children outside of the suburbs. This is because I grew up in the suburbs and don’t really want to return. However, people who are gay didn’t CHOOSE to be gay just like I didn’t CHOOSE to be straight.
Have you actually read the bill? It teaches the kids to name their body parts appropriately like ‘Vagina’ or Penis… is that so vulgar? It teaches them that there are other family models other than the classic mom+dad. Does Pipi and ‘special place’ really what you want your kids to be calling their body parts? You do realize kids are getting it on twitter and Facebook right?
Ugh, the idea of you breeding.
Though some people have been in Canada for at least a generation or two. Kind of hard to tell them to leave if they can’t speak the language of their ancestral country. I go to Hong Kong every few years to visit family, but if I’m not with other family members, I tend to stay in the expat/tourist areas because I can’t read Chinese!
While that may be true, I would imagine that their ancestors who originally immigrated here did not speak English at all. However, they came because they thought their lives would be better here. If the life you are living in Canada is truly so disagreeable, you will learn the language of another country – like your ancestors did when they came here – and leave.
“We are not homophobic. We just fear that a liberal education will turn our children into gays.”
Figures, they still use QR codes.
Well said. One of the things that makes Canada so great, and a destination for so many wishing for a better life is decades of rational, pragmatic and progressive policy. If that does not align with your cultural conservatism I’d venture a guess that there are many stuck-in-time countries you can move to. You can’t pick and choose and impose your conservative and religious beliefs on a secular school system. Well done Kathleen and party for sticking to your guns. While I first though “Shame on TL for lending PR to this bioted bunch” I realized that this article actually helps to stir a much needed defense of the values Canadians hold near and dear.
Please open the link and read the speech from a concern parent and also a doctor.http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAxMTA5ODA4NA==&mid=208308028&idx=1&sn=02d27cdff0287f293ba9ed8407f84c48&scene=2#rd
this article is full of lies. parents are against sex ed because it is not aligned with canadian federal laws and is misleading. it does not provide facts it provides ideologies and indoctrination.
guess what, the outrage is coming from a very diverse group of parents of all faiths, or no faiths, all cultures and all backgrounds.
people do choose to be gay, they are not victims
no we fear that benjamin levins goals of exploiting our children through this sex ed will succeed if we allow it.
I belive no is allowed to teach children regarding sex and children relationship. Only in a proper age children can decied and the other desision maker are parents. Politions ve to fouces on the cities and country educate new generation. It doesn’t mean if a polition is a killer they can’t distribute the gun to the public .
The most disturbing aspect to much of this is that many of these groups are opposed to sex-ed because they’re afraid of revealing the incest and rape culture that exists within many of their communities. If children are taught what is approperisate conduct between adults and kids, there would no doubt be a spike in reported incidents of sexual abuse within many homes. This was part of the premise behind the government’s decision to update the curriculum. Also, the reason why some more “advanced” information is being taught to younger kids is for the simple reason that children, because of the internet and pop culture, are being exposed to sexual matters at younger ages. They therefore have to be prepared. Not teaching your kids about sex for fear it will encourage them to have sex makes about as much sense as not giving them an umbrella so it won’t rain!
I especially loved his lightly veiled attempt to compare homosexuals to a contagion
We live in a 1st world country. Progression is key. If we kowtow to these primitive fundamentalists we will be going back in time. The whole reason many of these people moved to this great nation was to escape oppression, and then whammo they get voting rights and the women are back in the kitchen dressed like ninja’s. People! wake up. This article suggests that we should be deciding how to educate our children based on a stay-at-home-dad (i.e. failure). Love how he gets a shiny suit for the picture but the wife looks like The Seventh Seal… anyway. Common. I suggest if these primitives want to take their kids out of the program – let them. But when little Dirkah Dirkah Mohammed McLean gets VD or pregnant I say our tax money (OHIP) shouldn’t cover them. Let mr. stay-at-home talibanner pay the medical bills.
Do they have a gene therapy technology that can convert dna? If your child is gay its cause you gave them gay genes. Don’t be mad at the government – be mad at punit squares.
This is the problem in Canada – people can breed without proper education. Which is why we need proper sex ed. Just imagine if your parents had discovered Trojans back in your cave – everyone on this forum would be that much less worried about who are kids are sharing their classes with.
amazing how so many people can all be so stupid regardless of which imaginary deity they believe in.
What rot. Jonathan Zimmerman, whom the article quotes, writes in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/opinion/the-worlds-problem-with-sex-ed.html?_r=0
“In an age of globalization, in fact, schools are probably the least likely
places for kids to learn about sex. Schools are central for
deliberating the values we wish to transmit to our young. But on the
subject of sex, we disagree too fundamentally to arrive at anything like
a consensus about what adolescents should learn, know and become.“
Why in multicultural Canada are we forcing a narrow band of controversial values on everyone in the name of liberalism?
cursed alleles!
It’s called an “I want my child to remain ignorant and be excused from this class” form. File it and move-on, ffs.
people just wanna be stick in 1998 sex ed
so do van internet from kids|?
The coincidence is that most parents immigrate to Canada for better education to their kids, now they are forced to accept whatever against their faith, believes and principals, they have all the rights to choose whatever suits them, they have the right to opt out their kids,hope school boards can accommodate all parents not only just some of them..let’s be hopeful
Flagged.
Controversial values like being queer is perfectly okay? Having safe sex when you’re not married is perfectly okay? If these values are “controversial”, then I don’t have a lot of time for those that deem them so.
The school boards have been accommodating on the issue of sex ed. They will not move a muscle on teaching that being gay is okay, that queers are worthy of respect, and same sex marriage is recognized in law. If people do not like school boards’ stance, then they are free to attend private school. Accommodation stops when a group of individuals demands values that have been empirically arrived at and are scientifically sound be abandoned to please them.
I take it that all of you complaining against this immigrant component in social conservatism are also NOT blaming Harper because that little boy died so tragically and blaming Harper’s Canada because we aren’t taking in enough refugees. You will be relieved.You will be consistent, won’t you?
But on to the curriculum. Parents who are opposed to it come from ALL ethnic and religious backgrounds. They ARE Canada. If this issue was global trade, immigration, climate change, global security or entrepreneurialism, people would be bowled over by the depth of wisdom, experience and worldliness found in this diverse group. But because this same group is holding onto their primary role as parents when it comes to something as fundamental as their child’s innocence, and that clashes with some people, their voice is suddenly meaningless. None of the groups is opposed to sex ed in high school. None is opposed to teaching respect rather than bullying. None is opposed to teaching biology. Look at what they are opposed to. It is the very young age that the teaching begins, without context or boundaries. It is the cavalier approach to sex. Marriage is not mentioned in the entire curriculum on sex. And the complaints go further. I think the reason more parents aren’t opposed to it, is that more parents don’t know what’s coming.
translation of your above statement: i have nothing intelligent to say so i am going to throw out completely unrelated insults
do you know the meaning of ignorant? lacking knowledge and awareness, so you are very ignorant of the dangers of this curriculum. dr. miriam grossman, a renown psychiatrist from the US warns parents of how dangerous this curriculum actually is, so go blow your smoke somewhere else.
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whom are you referring to ben levin? you’ll find him in prison for paedophilia!
No. One person does not write a curriculum. Experts with no agenda to grind except what is medically best and scientifically sound.
As in reported to the moderators for being offensive.
I don’t believe such people are ignorant. I do believe such people are wrong.
“None of the groups is opposed to sex ed in high school”.
I would not be so sure about that.
The article is correct that, politically, the movement can go nowhere. If even the PCs are waking up to the fact that being equivocal on gay rights is ballot box poison in ridings they need to win to for government, then there is no political champion for this cause. If the PCs were so silly as to embrace this cause seriously, they can effectively write off their chances of gaining power going forward.
Homophobia and resistance to the curriculum go hand in hand. The first gay parent who is against the curriculum is free to speak up any time they like.
oh yes, truth can be offensive i suppose
as levin testified openly in court, he was responsible for the document and oversaw it. look up kinsey research where they got some of their so called ‘science’ – it’s research founded upon the torture of children.
Haha, that’s hilarious.
Ya know, it’s not 1995 anymore. By the time these parents deem it “appropriate” to teach their kids about sex and whatever else (and I have my doubts they’ll take the time to discuss gender issues), it’ll be too late and the children will probably correct them. If you think for a second that young children these days aren’t aware of certain things and aren’t already curious about them then you’re a lost cause.
You hit the nail right on the head!
You are in the minority of people who have objections yet have not even read the document I’m sure. Don’t take McVety’s word he’s a religious nut bag liar
Once again, religion is the root of all the world’s problems and encouraging ignorance to follow another generation.
Bigots raise bigots.
so agree. We only have to look at what is happening with equality, with so many childing unsure of their sexuality and schools having to offer transgendered facilities etc. We need our children to be educated about how the world has changed or in many cases allowed situations to be made public when before they were hidden behind closed doors and individuals suffered. Don’t get me wrong, I am uncomfortable with some of the issues, I never had freedom to talk about them in my days, I wish I had, maybe then I would have understood life more. If we allow them to win, then how will schools be able to implement the needs of the future generation. Many people form Asia need to allow their children more freedom to make their own decision in life and not follow cultural customs which in many cases allow men power over women, and we only have to look at recent news articles about ISIS and their treatment of gays etc.
Levin wasn’t involved in this version of the curriculum, which has been updated and changed in the 6 years since he left the department.
Wynne will eventually give these people an out. Eventually, Muslims will have separate classes that adhere to their beliefs and the normal students will have theirs. Wynne can’t afford to lose this voting bloc.
really? he openly testified to being responsible for it in court. its the same document.
We’re all going to turn into sex-crazed robots !!!
It’s not the same document. It’s been changed and updated in the last six years.
How long did it take you to come up with that zinger? It’s ok. Its understood that the intellectually immature resort to emotionally charged, personal persecution when faced with words which confront their innate dissatisfaction with the world. I apologize if I touched a nerve there.
The level of your ignorance is astounding, Nikee. Please educate yourself – with real, scientific information, not bible verses.
Your hysteria would be hilarious if it wasn’t so dangerous.
Miriam Grossman is a quack.
Facts like what your body parts are aren’t “controversial values.” Nor are facts like gay people exist, your body will mature in these ways, you will have these thoughts, and this is normal.
“Parents who are opposed to it come from ALL ethnic and religious backgrounds. ”
The key word in that sentence is religious. Religious values are personal and have no bearing on facts the state teaches in its public schools. That imposes religious values on those who do not share them.
The curriculum has been developed by subject-matter experts and presents factual information necessary for navigating childhood and adolescence. Most parents aren’t experts on the subject and provide an incomplete education to their children. This does a disservice to their children and their children and so on.
It also does not prevent parents from adding their voice to the mix, but it does ensure that this generation,and future generations will have a factual basis on which to make decisions regarding their sexuality in the future.
Are you one of the Canadian-born, critically thinking individuals that shares the viewpoint that the new sex-ed
curriculum teaches too much too early? If so, might you be elaborate on
your specific concerns?
you mean a few things have been added; its the same document.
its apparent you have no idea what the word ignorant means. educate yourself with facts…from the dictionary not the bible; however may do you some good to give that a shot too!
so no valid point to make just random insults?
lol, naturally, she discredits all the bs in the curriculum that you so adore
You’re right. There is a choice. The choice is between whether to live authentically in accordance to their sexual orientation, or to repress themselves and live the way people like you want them to.
I’m sorry you didn’t get what you wanted. And that people are now able to learn new ways to express rather than repress themselves.
I’m so sorry that educating children about the existence of other people, other ways of living, and being able to understand, appreciate and respect their differences is so horrifying for you.
You give Benjamin Levins way to much credits, do you love him or something? You have pretty terrible choice for role models.
Levins had virtually nothing to do with much of the reform. Stop letting your love for him misattribute more credits to him than he deserves.
She’s roundly dismissed by colleagues as a quack. She’s a total outlier. Face reality – you’re grasping to the words of a nutbar to justify your viewpoint. Facts are against both her and you.
Most of the parents’ criticisms of the new curriculum have nothing to do with homosexuality, so it is unfair to insinuate that they are all religious homophobes with “foreign values”.
Here is a summary of the criticisms (some of which I think are legitimate):
The new sex ed curriculum
– emphasizes “pleasure” instead of biological facts…
-avoids discussion of “love”
-introduces genitalia too early (in the first grade–where some don’t even know the alphabet).
-promotes sexual activity (I’d like to see more evidence of this)
-introduces the concept of “consent” long before kids are even allowed to consent to sex
-forces parents to remove their kids from the classroom (putting the onus on the parents rather than on the gov.)
The other objections have to do with the liberal government’s methods of consultation (and I’m all about proper consultation, regardless of the issue):
-the insinuation that all those opposed to the curriculum are homophobic religious nutbars with “foreign values” in order to silence all criticism
-the sex ed questionnaire that was sent to parents before the instatement of the curriculum was too general and misrepresented what the curriculum was all about. Parents later discovered that they consented to something of which they were unaware. The gov. could then claim that it consulted with parents when it didn’t.
That is a valid point – your hysteria is dangerous.
It leads to teens that are unequipped to deal with the sexual situations they will face, likely by the time they’re 11 or 12 and continuing throughout their lifetimes. It results in children who are vulnerable to child predators because they don’t understand what bad touching is, and it makes it harder for investigators and counsellors when children can’t express what has happened because they don’t know the names of their own body parts. It results in teens sending naked photos of themselves and having their lives ruined. It leads to bullying of those who are different. And that’s just a start.
What it does not result in is children becoming gay or “sexualized”.
ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
“he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid”
synonyms:uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored,untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed,unenlightened, benighted; More
lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
“they were ignorant of astronomy”
synonyms:without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to,incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced in/with, naive about, green about; informalin the dark about, clueless about
“they were ignorant of working-class life”
informal
discourteous or rude.
“this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist”
You fit every definition.
It’s not, Nikee – no matter how much you want it to be it simply is not.
From the Toronto Sun:
A former senior education bureaucrat now facing child pornography charges did not design the new sex ed curriculum, Ontario Education Minister Liz Sandals says.
Sandals said she was involved in the first revamp of the sex education curriculum in 2010 when she served as parliamentary assistant to then Education Minister Kathleen Wynne, now the Premier of Ontario.
“I can guarantee you that Ben Levin was not in any way directly involved in developing the curriculum,”
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/18/levin-not-involved-in-new-sex-ed-curriculum-sandals
Dear all religious-immigrant anti sex-ed protesters (which is what virtually ALL of you are),
You won’t win this.
Because you and/or your parents WEREN’T here in the 1950’s, you don’t realize that everything you’re doing — effectively cherry-picking and spinning words and phrases from this legislation (“Omigawd, Ghurinder, they’re going to have our children intercoursing each other in classroom! We must put a stop to this. How dare they prepare our children for lives in this country we only came to for the perks!!), and trying to induce fear of it in your own likewise close-minded, backwards-thinking communities (where the need to protect things like arranged business mergers, err, I mean marriages at all costs is paramount) — was already done by ignorant white people way back then.
They failed. YOU will fail.
Regards,
The Majority.
The words progressive, modernized are seem to be misused in the comments and in the article. I understand “progressive” when used in technological context or “modernized” when talking about new sufficient ways of preserving the nature resources, recycling, energy use… How do you modernize values? Have you ever heard of progressive traditions? What exactly one means by saying “world’s most progressive society”? Does “progressive society” equals no values and no morals?? Does” modern” mean tolerating the abuse of centuries long family traditions?? Can a heterogeneous family (which is now called “superstitious belief”!!! in a progressive modern society) be free individuals in Canada and not have their values threatened and not be called “arbitrary notion”??? Who is intolerant??? Is this what progressive and modern really means to you – devaluing the cultural diversity and denying the validity of traditions?? Have you ever enjoyed someone’s holding a door for you or maybe giving up their seat in the TTC, or maybe giving up their spot in the line for you to go ahead??? Well, these are the “superstitious belief system”, the “arbitrary notions” that are “programmed at a young age” by parents who are not denied their rights to teach their children to be respectful; to teach their children about anatomy and biology without voiding this experience of family values. Progressive and modern society does not mean robotic shapes, void of anything closely resembling a boy or a girl, a man or a woman, empty of emotions and values, or God forbid anyone showing a tourist in Toronto directions to the best jazz bar or taking a stand for an old lady being abused by some bozo!!!! Yes, Canada is progressive country, and I hope it is modern enough to recognize the old fashioned values of respect, love, marriage, healthy children and many more benefits of the “superstitious belief systems”!!!!!!!!!!
No sex please we are Canadians!
“- emphasizes “pleasure” instead of biological facts…”
Not true
.”avoids discussion of “love”
Not true.
“-introduces genitalia too early (in the first grade–where some don’t even know the alphabet).”
Experts, including police and child therapists, begged for this information to be introduced in grade one – at the age of six, generally – because it helps immensely in child sex assault investigations if the child is able to articulate what has happened to them.
And FYI, in Alberta, British Columbia and Manitoba this is taught in kindergarten.
“introduces the concept of “consent” long before kids are even allowed to consent to sex”
Again, it is critical for children to understand what bad touching is as early as possible so they don’t become victims of child predators. Consent is taught in the context of your body being your own and that no one has a right to violate it.
“-forces parents to remove their kids from the classroom (putting the onus on the parents rather than on the gov.)”
It’s up to parents to make such decisions for themselves. They do not have the right to impose their values on others and deny children factual knowledge about their sexual health.
“-the insinuation that all those opposed to the curriculum are homophobic religious nutbars with “foreign values” in order to silence all criticism”
Well, if the shoe fits… I have yet to see any objection to this curriculum that doesn’t eventually devolve into deep-rooted homophobia.
“the sex ed questionnaire that was sent to parents before the instatement of the curriculum was too general and misrepresented what the curriculum was all about.”
Except it didn’t. The questionnaire was regarding concepts being taught. Parents had the opportunity to contribute their opinions on those concepts but don’t get to vote on the actual curriculum.
actually, i dont care what informed sexual decisions adults choose make (legally of course) or what lifestyle they decide to follow. my issue is with the curriculum.
A christian worried about children not being endowed with their faculties of reason yet. That’s a laugh.
Thanks for setting things straight! People like you need to be out protesting these anti-sex-ed protesters, just to make sure the coveted camera time they’re using to spread their misinformation is interrupted by actual facts.
Progressive societies are forward thinking and forward moving. They are open to new ideas and changing circumstances. They embrace equality, diversity and responsibility for their fellow citizens and their planet. They do not cling to antiquated ideas like gay people aren’t equal, that transgendered people don’t exist, or that giving children factual information will turn them gay or into sex fiends.
Traditions are fine and so is teaching your children to be respectful of others – all others, not just those you approve of. You can have your Christmas tree, you can worship wherever you want, and you’re welcome to your own beliefs. What you’re not welcome to do is ignore facts and laws because you don’t like them if it puts others in danger.
In this country everyone is equal. Everyone deserves a fact-based education, and part of that education is sexual health. The vast majority of parents are no more equipped to instruct their children on all aspects of sexual health than they are to instruct them in science, civics or math. To insist otherwise is folly.
nobody is denying anyone’s existence so lets not play the victim game. respecting people is understanding that we do not all agree or share the same beliefs, but can still be kind. guess what we live in canada, the land of the free, where we do not have to agree with our neighbours sexual choices.
It’s unfortunate but I don’t think they’re even interested in listening. They’re at frenzy stage where facts are an inconvenience to be swatted away with bigotry.
So we were walking though King’s College Circle and the stench of bigotry and religious nonsense was being carried on the wind over from Queen’s Park. So naturally we had to check it out. Our quite day of catch and a picnic already being ruined. How the organizers of the event managed to round up every religious fundie and bigot illiterate in the province was almost as impressive as the grammatical irony on the signs in the crowd. I bet you could count the number of people who had actually read the curriculum on one hand. And that lovely https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=519102553&fref=ts was there, giving a profound speech about his nutjob views. What a terrible thing for those poor children, their parents being such gigantic idiots.
Also of note; vest wearing ‘organizers’ (who were all young males) swarmed us, and Keren was verbally attacked very forcefully by one of those ‘morally superior’ fools. Lovely tactics by lovely people. Just fucking vile.
Glad we went back to University of Toronto, leaving the cloud of stupid behind. #onpoli #sexed #sexeducation
— at Queen’s Park.
you have a twisted view of the world. when people say they dont approve of something does that mean they do to you? Not good friend, could get you in trouble.
Tolerance of intolerance is self-cancelling nonsense.
yes, the ones that have approved this curriculum and are advocating it – they no doubt want to discredit her. unfortunately she is very credible and highly educated.
But she’s not credible Nikee. Google her name and “quack” and you’ll see plenty of evidence to the contrary.
that is your opinion because i disagree with this curriculum.
indoctrination is not healthy nor is it education – it is brainwashing.
and the canadian laws are what they are because the canadian federal government seems to have an understanding of what is age appropriate for children, perhaps the curriculum should reflect the canadian laws.
well that would be fitting for you savannah as you seem to know very little of what this curriculum entails.
You keep using the word “indoctrination”. What exactly do you think children are being “indoctrinated” into, Nikee? And what material exactly is “age inappropriate”?
And please, share with all of us what professional credentials you have leaned on in making that determination.
lol, his testimony was given after that statement and sandals was accused of lying!
Oh I know exactly what it contains, which is why I am able to counter your nonsense with facts.
So, Lyubov is OK standing up for an old lady being abused by some bozo, but doesn’t want his/her children armed with the articulation skills to help them describe “some bozo” that might be abusing them, and how?
Sick.
Respect, love, marriage and healthy children (and many more benefits) are not dependent on superstitious belief systems. Never were. Only people who hold such fragile superstitious belief systems believe that their “system” is the whole reason such emotions and institutions exist, largely because it’s the system that their parents forced on them, and which they will in turn force on their kids. It’s just the handing-down of ignorance, and in a TAXPAYER-FUNDED school system designed, in theory, to keep our kids educated about the constantly CHANGING and PROGRESSING world around them, there’s no place for religious ignorance.
You can’t win this. But it’s funny watching you try. And noting how many of the “anti” brigade are visible minorities from cultures with VERY medieval views on relationships and child-rearing.
So you think a minister of the Crown is lying but you believe a convicted felon.
Now THAT’s funny.
well we disagree, her credentials and obvious knowledge tell me she is very credible. you are bias to support your cause; if she was supporting the curriculum no doubt you would consider her a genius! well guess what the glaringly obvious dangers in the curriculum are seen by many.
Sorry, Joanne, but what you think is coming, isn’t coming, despite all your religious fearmongering.
And there ARE context and boundaries in all levels of this curriculum. You’re diseased if you think otherwise.
well i am so glad you have asked; my credentials first of all are that i have maintained common sense – however if you require degrees dr. grossman backs up parents who oppose this for the same reasons. Here is why this is indoctrination:
Here is the actual definition of
indoctrination:
the act of indoctrinating, or teaching a doctrine, principle,or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view
Factual: There are 2 biological genders,
male & female (0.2 percent are born with a birth defect known as ambiguous
genitalia)
Ideological: There are 6 interchangeable
genders (theory, idea, not fact) Why not all 58?
Factual: Anus according to dictionary is
described as thus, the opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal, through which the solid refuse of digestion is excreted.
In simple terms, the anus is designed to
eliminate waste, factually speaking
Ideologically: The anus can be used for
sex – curriculum
Factual: The vagina is a sex organ that is
part of the female genital tract. It is a muscular and tubular in structure.
The vagina
allows for sexual intercourse and childbirth.
Factual:
Abstinence by definition means: Abstinence is a self-enforced
restraint from indulging in bodily activities that are widely experienced as
giving pleasure.
Ideological:
Abstinence can mean different thing for different people – curriculum
Factual:
The best way to prevent AIDS is learn what causes the virus; the leading cause
being gay and bi-sexual men, despite the invention of the condom. Aids in
Ontario has risen by 67 percent, that was from 1999-2008.(Ont. Ministry of
Health) The risk for contracting Aids during anal sex is 18 times higher than
the risk during vaginal intercourse. (International Journal of Epidemiology.)
Ideological:
The best way to prevent AIDS is to stop the stigma associated to it (this
particular ideology can really get kids in trouble and it sounds like it is
opposing the actual fact)
Factual:
According to Canadian law a child cannot ‘consent’ to sexual activity until the
age of 16 years.
Reasoning:
They are not mature enough to make such decisions
Ideological:
Children should learn ‘consent’ (by definition: to agree to) so they understand
it is their personal responsibility to say yes or no and need to know how to do
so if they do not approve of sexual advances
Reasoning:
They are mature enough to make their own decisions
Factual:
Vaginal sex and Anal sex are not equalized under Canadian law since Anal sex is
considered high risk and is therefore illegal until the age of 18 when an adult
understands the full risk and consequence of their choice, having a much higher
risk of sti’s and aids as well as likely fecal incontinence through alternate
use of the body.
Ideological:
Vaginal sex and anal sex are both sexual acts that may cause sti’s or aids (perhaps
some agree this is true but it’s missing vital information)
From
these points alone, the determination is without doubt that this sex-ed is
absolute indoctrination as opposed to factual sexual health education.
I’m “so bias (sic) to support (my) cause”?
There is not a single expert that agrees with Grossman. Not a single one. She’s a complete outlier who isn’t taken seriously by any of her colleagues and yet you cling to this ridiculous assumption that she’s right and everybody else is wrong.
And yet I’m the “bias” (sic) one. LMAO.
Here in London Ont we have had 7 rallies with large turnouts of citizens, this is not going away and we will continue the fight against Wynne’s Sexuality Curriculum. Many of the younger people and not just the children of the new Canadians, many of these young people have very conservative values, some are more conservative than their parents. New people are joining our movement at every rally, many never were seen or came to the rallies before, our first rally brought out 600 citizens.
Most of the comments here are made by those who favour the Curriculum and who downplay the origins, culture, and beliefs of new Canadians and also long-time citizens. Let’s hear on these comments some discussion from those in the Anti Sex-Ed movement.
Can you imagine the outrage if all classroom materials suggested that the entirety of our population is white…
what’s funny is sandals signing off on this sex ed which she after admitted she did not read!
you are right. like this colleague for example
This bold and brilliant physician has done the nation and its children a great service.”ROBERT P. GEORGE, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence, Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions, Princeton University
So renown they hide their identity, eh? that’s quality research! I don’t have much trust in people who want me to pay them before they’ll shower me with their ‘truth’.
? i suggest you stop sniffing glue!
“my credentials first of all are that i have maintained common sense”
So you have no professional credentials or experience in the field, yet you know more than the experts do.
“Ideological: There are 6 interchangeablegenders (theory, idea, not fact) Why not all 58?”
The concept of gender identification fact and it is part of every sex ed curriculum in the country. In Ontario it will be taught in grade 9. The New Brunswick curriculum sexual orientation to students in Grade 8. Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan and B.C. teach how social factors influence sexuality in Grade 7. In Newfoundland and Labrador, gender stereotypes are identified in Grade 4.
“Ideologically: The anus can be used forsex – curriculum”
That’s not ideological, it’s a fact. The anus CAN be used for sex and IS used for sex by both heterosexual and homosexual people. In fact, in high schools these days anal sex is often used to “preserve virginity”.
Also fact; teaching anal sex isn’t part of the core curriculum, it’s mentioned in the teacher prompts, which are there to help answer questions that may arise.
“Ideological:Abstinence can mean different thing for different people – curriculum”
Actually that’s a fact once again. Some people view abstinence as not engaging in ANY sexual activity, including kissing, petting, etc. To others abstinence means no vaginal penetration. .
“the leading causebeing gay and bi-sexual men,”
Again, not factual. AIDS is growing at a more substantial rate in the heterosexual community due to drug use and unprotected sex.
“Children should learn ‘consent’ (by definition: to agree to) so they understandit is their personal responsibility to say yes or no and need to know how to do so if they do not approve of sexual advances”
And you disagree with this???? Are you a child predator or something? I can’t imagine anyone other than a child predator objecting to kids being taught that their body is their own and no one has a right to touch it without their consent.
“Vaginal sex and anal sex are both sexual acts that may cause sti’s or aids (perhapssome agree this is true but it’s missing vital information)”
Some agree this is true? It is unequivocally true, factual information.
“Fromthese points alone, the determination is without doubt that this sex-ed is absolute indoctrination”
Indoctrination into WHAT?? You keep avoiding answering that question. Why?
Why is it funny? She was involved in its creation. She knew what was in it. Nothing was a surprise. It’s what subject-matter experts and curriculum specialists had been discussing for 6 years.
Is ignorance of basic factual information on sexual health a conservative value?
oh did i strike a nerve? indoctrination into a theoretical set of beliefs. parents want facts for their kids when it comes to sexual health and education.
“ROBERT P. GEORGE”
You mean the guy that advocated the denial of equal human rights to gay people?
Yeah, I’ll take his opinion of a quack seriously.
FYI, facts and opinions/beliefs are different.
its funny because it was her job! are you a teen with no kids or something?
Indoctrinated in WHAT theoretical set of beliefs?
That gay people exist and deserve respect?
That their bodies are their own and no one has a right to touch them without their permission?
That sex is best saved until you’re in a relationship and in love?
That if you decided to have sex you should protect yourself from STDs?
I mean seriously. What exactly are they being “indoctrinated” into?
Are so that inarticulate that you can’t define this “theoretical set of beliefs” you claim children are being indoctrinated into?
Yes, that’s something you should learn. Your entire list of “Ideologically” stuff is facts.
Yep, and then the kids who were forced to miss classes will just ask the ones that did attend at lunch.
You actually don’t understand what a minister’s job is, do you?
Do you think ministers read every report that comes across their desk?
Or do you understand that tasks are delegated because the minister doesn’t have time to read everything that comes across their desk, and that ministers have advisers whose job it is to review reports and summarize them, including alerting them to anything that is not expected?
You’d come across as far less hysterical if you had actual factual information on the topics you wish to discuss.
“By Craig Matteson HALL OF FAMETOP 500 REVIEWER on November 18, 2006
Format: Hardcover
The author of this book is a psychiatrist at a university health clinic. She has written the book anonymously because she is still working and what she has to say is politically unacceptable to the current mental health establishment. If she stated this openly she would risk her career. “
oh does that discredit him? who knows, perhaps he was attempting to save them from dying of aids, or perhaps prevent the situation we are facing today where women and children are endangered for transgender washrooms allowing opportunity to predators! yes he should be taken seriously considering princeton university is one of the most prestigious universities in the world.
“oh does that discredit him? ”
Yes it does. If you don’t believe in equal rights I don’t take you seriously.
“perhaps he was attempting to save them from dying of aids,”
Again with the ignorance. You know the fastest growing population for new AIDS infections is among drug users and the heterosexual community, right?
“where women and children are endangered for transgender washrooms”
Wow. Just wow. Not a single woman or child has been attacked by a transgendered person using a washroom. NOT. ONE. SINGLE. PERSON.
“considering princeton university is one of the most prestigious universities in the world.”
Even Princeton can hire idiots.
i’m not sure where anyone is denying the existence of anyone else? that’s a crazy argument.
ive already answered you, now its just repeating arguments.
unfortunately no they are ideologies. but we will not agree.
it was her job, that is undeniable, and she did not do it. you would be less hysterical if you used common sense.
If you believe no one should teach children about sex and relationships, then you should have stayed in your home country. You (or your parents) came here for a better life. Part of that better life is to live in a culture where PROGRESS is crucial, economically, technologically, socially AND EDUCATIONALLY. Children absolutely should not have to wait until “a proper age” (and who defines THAT?) to decide about these issues, let alone have their parents make those kinds of decisions for them (especially if those parents come from regressive, oppressive, ignorance-teaching, fundamentalist countries). Your analogy about a politician being a murderer and distributing guns to the public is bizarre. Here in Canada, he would be in JAIL before he ever distributed anything to anyone.
You have never answered the question of what they are being indoctrinated into. You’ve replied lots, but never answered the question – likely because you can’t without looking like a loon.
And if you read the article you’ll see objections to talking about gay families expressed above.
Clearly we won’t because you don’t seem to understand what a fact actually is.
“it was her job, that is undeniable,”
Again, I’ve demonstrated to you above that it is not actually “her job” to read every single word of every single report that comes across her desk. She has people who do that and provide analysis to her.
allow me to help you:
http://www.miriamgrossmanmd.com/about/
she is hardly hiding.
And YOU, Nikee, are very ignorant of the critical BENEFITS of this new curriculum. You’re clearly swallowing the “anti” pabulum wholesale, and helping to spread the fear in the wasted hopes you’ll actually change anything. YOU WON’T. And in a few years, everyone INCLUDING YOU will realize the tremendous benefits our children have reaped from this program rather than learning all about sex from their equally-ill-informed peers or, worse, the internet with it’s all manner of absolutely free porn, misogyny and freewheeling celebrity sexuality. But hey, pull your kids out of the system, and then when they can’t articulate why Uncle Johnny or Father Joe sticking their hands down their pants is wrong because their afraid to talk about anything “dirty”, you’ll be none the wiser and can happily go about your day in blissful ignorance.
But hey, if celebrity SHRINK (a specious profession if ever there was one) Dr. Miriam Grossman say it’s bad, despite being crafted by experts far above her on the intelligence food chain, well, then, it must be bad.
Nope, it’s YOU blowin’ the smoke, honey, and it ain’t gonna change ANYTHING. Welcome to progress.
Even though it was created by people with far more legitimate credentials than Whacko Grossman, but hey, you’ve apparently found the ONE OPINION that matters, so enjoy watching the world pass your children by from here on out.
aids is up 67 percent in ontario, despite the condom, the number one cause is gay and bi-sexual men – ministry of health Ontario
i see you cut my sentence to suit your agenda….let me finish it for you…allowing opportunity to every predator.
Nikee, please, get help, and stop promoting such widely discredited people. You’re wrong, and your kids — assuming you’ve actually gone and procreated, perish the thought — don’t deserve to be spoonfed such narrowminded views. It will harm them in the future.
Rex how wrong you are! I guarantee you we will change things, that is a promise!!! some are working on building their own schools! we will not sit back and watch kids get hurt by a sex ed that does not provide all of the facts and is age inappropriate!
“allowing opportunity to every predator.”
Again, not one single woman or child has been attacked by a predator posing as a transgendered person. NOT. ONE. SINGLE. ONE.
As for your AIDS nonsense, the fastest growing group of new HIV infections is heterosexuals and drug users. Infections from MTM sex have continued to drop.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/aids-sida/publication/survreport/2012/dec/index-eng.php
Can you BE any more dense and antiquated? You do realize that this curriculum IS ALREADY PRACTICED in several other provinces, right? Enough of your bogus whinging about “canadian federal laws” you know nothing about. Get back in the kitchen.
“some are working on building their own schools!”
And the kids who attend them will never, ever be exposed to the internet or peers outside that school, right? They’ll never hear anything about sex from anyone but their parents, right?
Your hysteria is so misplaced it isn’t even funny. If you want to deny your children access to information and keep them ignorant about their bodies that’s your right, but you don’t have the right to impose your backward thinking on the children of others.
I’m trying to understand why you would credit Levins with something he barely has anything to do with. Which is a odd way of saying you don’t approve of someone.
I’m convinced your saying you don’t approve of him is merely a thinnly-disguised attempt to hide your love for him.
If you don’t think I’m right, then tell me: why are you giving someone you presumably “don’t approve of” so much underserved credits?
And if you don’t like the curriculum, you’re FREE to protest it all you want and look like a fundamentalist hick, and, since that WON’T CHANGE ANYTHING, EVER, you’re welcome to remove your kids from the system and put them in the private school of your choice, or even home-school them in your special brand of ignorance (i.e. lack of knowledge, as you pointed out elsewhere). Isn’t freedom grand?!
Nobody chooses to be gay. Why would anyone want to be gay given the hate and ignorance they encounter every day. No, nobody chooses to be gay. If you don’t believe me ask any physician.
In that case you are a poor advocate of the issue you care about. Because “people do choose to be gay, they are not victims” doesn’t say anything about “curriculums”.
If this is how you advocate your concern about curriculums, you are hurting yourself, you are hurting your cause, and you are hurting other people who have more legitmate reasons to be concerned with your terrible adovcacy.
Please stop.
The facts about sex are taught, nothing but the facts. Sex is a biological function like eating, sleeping and defecating. It is people like you who make it “evil” and “dirty”. Ask yourself what makes the subject so threatening to you?
Well, if you’re not denying their existence, why would you want their existence denied to your children? Maybe so pass on your “common sense” understanding of gays to them when they’re teenagers?
Progressive societies are forward thinking and forward moving.
Moving forward toward what?? Oblivion? Nothingness?? Progressive should not be confused with chaotic.Progressive still needs a goal, destination. Were you Savannah, born into a laboratory and conceived in a tube and brought up in a “progressive” room with white walls or did you have parents?? Did you learn anything from your parents/family/guardians/siblings?? Or is that considered in your world “antiquated
idea”???
They are open to new ideas and changing circumstances. They embrace equality, diversity and responsibility for their fellow citizens and their planet.
Who is going to instill in your new and fresh mind the responsibility for the fellow citizens and the planet??? Are your siblings, your family members, your parents, cousins not the fellow citizens that you
learn to embrace and respect in your early days??? Or did you Savannah come into this world already a grown individual with the ability to know what is good and what is bad and what is respect and what is neglect??? Did your teacher, who has 20+ pupils in the class instill in you the responsibility of cleaning up after your meal, or taking garbage out on a day of, or did the teacher tuck you in at night when you went to bed and sang you a lullaby and told you that you are the only one for her loved and cherished???? Or is it all too “antiquated” for you?????
What you’re not welcome to do is ignore facts and laws because you don’t like them if it puts others in danger.
Ignore facts???? And laws?? Any of the people saying
in the protest “my child my right” has ignored any law?? Which one, Savannah, be specific. Do parents in Ontario have no rights to their born children? What are you implying? Be specific! If a parent insists on having the rights on educating their children of moral issues, who are the “others” who are “put in danger”, as the result of that, as per your above statement, be specific, please.
In this country everyone is equal. Everyone deserves a fact-based education, and part of that education is sexual health. The vast majority of parents are no more equipped to instruct their children on all aspects of sexual health than they are to instruct them in science, civics or math.
Equal??? Then parents should have an equal right to teach their children about age appropriate moral issues. Fact based education is exactly what sexual health is – cold facts about anal, oral, vaginal, masturbation – void of morals and values, love, respect, traditions and time standing pillars of family foundations. You want fact based – then teach our children math, science, geography, geometry – those are fact based!!!!!!!! And leave the moral education to the parents – then it is equal!!!!
Hey Nikee, PLEASE answer the question about what you think the kiddies are being indoctrinated into by this curriculum. You say you answered, but you didn’t, and you keep avoiding putting up a challenge to Savannah’s FACT-based arguments and there are others out here who’d REALLY like you to actually NAME what it is you think children are being indoctrinated into with this curriculum.
Trying to blow off the discussion with a crack like “beliefs are different” is not an answer, nor is calling widely accepted facts “ideologies” because you just can’t abide them being true.
So please hurry back and let us know what you’re afraid your children are being indoctrinated into.
You are TRULY sick. Homosexuality is NOT chosen any more than heterosexuality.
I almost think you’re a troll, because no human could actually be this ignorant (by EVERY definition of the word)
And even if children WERE attacked by transgendered predators, Nikki wants to ensure they don’t have any ability process the event or tell people what happened.
“Moving forward toward what?? ”
Towards a society that accepts everyone as equals and treats them that way. Towards a society that cares for those who need a hand up. Towards a society that respects the earth and everything that inhabits it.
Only those that oppose equality and responsibility object to that path.
” Did you learn anything from yourparents/family/guardians/siblings??”
Yes, but then again my mother taught the sex education class at my local high school so I wasn’t denied facts about my body, ever.
“Who is going to instill in your new and fresh mind theresponsibility for the fellow citizens and the planet???”
Society, which includes the education system. Many parents don’t teach their children responsibility for the planet and their fellow man, just as many parents present an incomplete education on sexual health.
And what exactly is wrong with assuring kids that masturbation is normal? It is. And everyone does it.
“Any of the people sayingin the protest “my child my right” has ignored any law??”
Teaching your children that gay people aren’t equal is indeed ignoring the law.
” Equal???Then parents should have an equal right to teach their children about age appropriate moral issues.”
Except that parents aren’t actually equipped to teach their children about all aspects of sexual health. And sexual health isn’t a “moral issue” it’s a public health issue.
“cold facts about anal, oral, vaginal, masturbation – void of morals andvalues, love, respect, traditions and time standing pillars of family foundations.”
Again, you’re repeating nonsense. Much of what you’ve listed above is actually in the teacher prompts rather than the core curriculum, and the teacher prompts are there to assist with answering questions, should they arise.
What the education system is doing is making sure that kids have the basic facts regarding sexual health. Nobody’s stopping parents from talking about these subjects with their children and trying to impart their “morals” on them.
“You want fact based – then teach our children math, science, geography,geometry – those are fact based!!!!!”
Children are being taught all of the above, and sexual health education is also fact-based.
Actually that’s incorrect, “respecting people” is not defined by “understanding that we do not all agree or share the same beliefs”.
We are talking about people. Not about beliefs. When we talk about LGBTQ folks, we are talking about real people, with real lives who wants nothing more than to live their own lives without being discriminated against.It’s their lives. Not a belief system. And if you treat their lives as a belief system, then you are not even showing them the minimal decency and respect a human deserves.
You are not treating them as people. You are treating them as a fragment of your own belief system. As such, you absolutely are denying their existence as people. And you should not even be pretending you know what “respect” is, let alone question how to teach it.
Given that most of what is in the proposed new curriculum is already taught in other provinces at the same age or younger to what is being proposed in Ontario, then I can only surmise that these concerned parents must have believed that Ontario was, prior to the announcement of this new curriculum a beacon of hope for those wanting to shield their children from the world, and that the rest of Canada was little more than a “Sodom and Gomorrah”-like cesspool of sexual proclivity.
Who knew?
The more likely answer is that, consistent with the willful ignorance they’ve demonstrated on this topic, they likely had no idea that all the new curriculum does is catch Ontario up to the rest of the country and is hardly groundbreaking.
are you calling every predator transgender? wow
and you’re opposing the minsitry of health?
right so i think were done here.
yes people choose to be gay, we all choose who we have sex with, lets not be silly. and the gay people i’ve seen lately are getting awards for coming out so lets not play the bully/victim game.
I have read nothing in all of these comments which imply that love, marriage and healthy children are no longer the norm and will be trashed by our progressive society. I am thankful that our society is progressive and will not tolerate such old fashioned values as forced marriage, female genital mutilation, rape as punishment for a transgression committed by another member of your family, and the murder of young women by their own families when they dare step out of line. It must be great to learn nothing at all about sex until your wedding night.
“are you calling every predator transgender? wow”
Where on EARTH did you come up with that one, Nikee?
You’re the one claiming that allowing transgendered people into public bathrooms puts women and children at risk of being attacked by predators. These are your exact words:
“or perhaps prevent the situation we are facing today where women and children are endangered for transgender washrooms allowing opportunity to predators!”
So which is it – are transgendered people predators, or are predators dressing up as transgendered people to attack women and children?
You’re the one that made the claim, Nikee, not me. So now you get to explain exactly who you were disparaging, or what fantastical scenario you’ve imagined.
And to make certain they can’t adequately cooperate in the investigation.
Makes one wonder what skin Nikee has in the game that s/he would object so strongly to arming children with knowledge that will keep them safe.
Wow, just … wow. You were done ages ago, Nikki. You’ve been pwned here so many times it’s almost staggering!
i hardly think of sex as dirty or evil; on the contrary sex was created as something beautiful. this sex ed does not threaten me but rather my children because it does not present facts but rather ideologies, and omits important facts about aids that could be lifesaving.
So you chose to be straight? You were attracted to both men and women and engaged in hetero and homosexual sex and then decided that a heterosexual “lifestyle” would be your choice?
Nikee you’re claim that it “does not present facts but rather ideologies” has already been debunked by facts.
And it does not omit “important facts about aids (sic) that could be lifesaving”.
what are you talking about? its hardly denying someone exists because you don’t share in their sexual ideologies.
Go ahead, build your own schools, Nikee. It’s a free country. The rest of our kids will grow up into smart, responsible, sexually healthy individuals — better than even our own generations — while yours get to enjoy their little school compound with no access to the evils of the outside world, and only the facts about sex ed as you see fit to dole them out, because parents are infinitely better qualified to indoctrin— whoops, teach their children a well-rounded sex education.
Do keep us abreast of the PROGRESS on that, since you certainly won’t have any luck changing scientifically-sound, professionally-vetted curriculums out here in the real world.
Oh, and just make sure you don’t accidentally enrol your spawn in a Muslim school by mistake. That would no doubt open a whole new can of worms for you.
Please, elaborate, on how masturbation skills at age 10 will help a child to have skills to know when some bozo might be abusing them?? OR Any ideas, on anal lubrication and how it might help in the articulation of their skills on recognizing the abusive bozo???
Sick is right.
The terminology used is rephrased as commented by the person in another response – take it up with them!!! Forced is the sex. ed program, it is forced and violates the rights of the tax-payers – THE PARENTS – who financially are burdened without their consent to sponsor this forceful event.
Yeah, because visible minorities do not have education, right??, they are ignorant, medieval, religious blanks. Well, just like every black man is a criminal or most likely, carries a gun that he wants to use on a white red-neck….. Who is stuck in a mid evil view here?? Are you listening to your prejudice non-sense??? Everything else around you has progressed except you, who still thinks that “visible minorities are mid evil”……. NO COMMENT
I didn’t know it was about winning… Shame, is that what the children are to Wynne, some toy soldiers she is winning over? That’s very progressive and modernized.
no savannah, lol, you are go back and read it yourself. i said it allows opportunity to every predator….you came back and quoted “allowing opportunity to every predator” therefore you made the claim lol.
If your culture includes forced marriage, female genital mutilation, rape as punishment for a transgression by another member of your family, murder of young women who dare step out of line, then I don’t respect your culture or beliefs. Your beliefs need to be left in the failed state hellhole from which you escaped. You are in Canada now where we believe in the equality of women and educating children to know that evil beliefs and cultures persist in many parts of the world but will not be tolerated here.
No they don’t, dumbass. Choosing your sexuality and choosing your sex partner are not quite the same thing. One may logically follow the other, but they’re not the same thing. You’re BORN with your sexuality, whether you know it or not, even if it doesn’t manifest itself sexually (as it shouldn’t) until later in life. THEN you choose the partner/s of your choice. Clearly you believe your sexuality didn’t actually begin until the first time you CHOSE to like some guy (girl). Laughable.
Homophobe, BIG TIME.
Don’t make me laugh. These protesting parents don’t want to teach their children anything about sex. They don’t want their children to ask questions they don’t want to answer. the only sex edification these children receive is “don’t do it”.
Maybe YOU better go back and re-read your own bile, Nikee. Here’s what you wrote, CUT-AND-PASTED:
“aids is up 67 percent in ontario, despite the condom, the number one cause is gay and bi-sexual men – ministry of health Ontario
i see you cut my sentence to suit your agenda….let me finish it for you…allowing opportunity to every predator.”
Last five words, dim-bulb. Savannah quoted you precisely, so YOU made the claim.
Let’s stop playing the victim here, shall we?
Are you even listening to yourself right now? We are talking about people. Real living people. Who have lives and want to live it and not be discriminated against.
But you haven’t ever talked about them as people. You talk about them as an “ideology”. That’s pretty explicit denial of their existence as people.
Might be some weird shit going between her kids out on the compound that she’s in deep, deep denial about.
rex what i have written is clearly seen. not interested in your games, sorry.
By age 10, kids are DEFINITELY starting to figure things out, whether you like it or not. The PREVIOUS sex-ed curriculums helped put the activities in context (even when I was in school, and at that age, decades ago), and this one will too, something you and your brigade don’t want them to have. Further to that, the new curriculum starts teaching them how to ARTICULATE themselves from a much younger age when the bozos try to interfere with them. How many predators and priests and other creeps walked free because their youngest victims weren’t equipped to explain what happened, or cooperate in an investigation, either from their own parents OR from the authorities? THAT’S sick, but obviously you’re cool with it.
I feel kinda sad for your kids if you have any. With misinformation, peer pressure, media sexuality and even FREE PORN available to them at the swipe of an iPhone, today’s kids more than ANY generations previous need to be better equipped from an earlier age to understand the world and their place in it, their gender, their sexuality, the differences of others.
friend you are not a sex act. you are a person. i hope you will one day think more of yourself.
Meh – still wants me to buy her books before she tells me anything substantial other than how great she is…. colour me unimpressed. Now about that form? Have you filled one out yet?
You will fight, and you will lose.
What’s the population of London these days? Pretty sure it’s more than 600.
A few years from now, you’ll all realize how overreactive you were. It’s cool.
Nikee I think you’ve been precise, matter of fact, and exceedingly tolerant in illustrating your points. Its a shame to see the mindset of most people today seems not much different than the Dark ages, which is to mercilessly pillory those who’s worldview does not align with their own, while through the other side of their mouth they exalt the specific pillars of society which allow individuals to think and act as they choose. Kudos to you for all the research you’ve obviously done on this topic, and let these unfortunate comments serve as a reminder that society is still largely ruled by a mind-numbing herd mentality as I’m sure you understand.
Nikee, are you high?
In the post you replied to I quoted your exact words to you – the entirety of them – in which you claimed that today women and children “are endangered for transgender washrooms allowing opportunity to predators”.
Mangling of the English language aside, you made the claim so which is it: are transgendered people predators or are predators dressing up and pretending to be transgendered so they can attack women and children?
C’mon Nikee, it should be easy enough for you to answer that question, which is based on your exact words. Which is it, Nikee? And where’s your evidence that “women and children” are “endangered” by “transgendered washrooms”?
Surely you can back up your absurd statements, right?
oh damn,
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault
well yes i can!
“Its a shame to see the mindset of most people today seems not much different than the Dark ages, ”
You mean the people who are trying to stop this curriculum, right?
“Kudos to you for all the research you’ve obviously done on this topic,”
This is a joke, right? Nikee has yet to present a single fact about this curriculum. And neither have you.
“let these unfortunate comments serve as a reminder that society is still largely ruled by a mind-numbing herd mentality as I’m sure you understand.”
It’s called the majority of society. And just because you’re out of step with it, doesn’t mean the majority of society has to regress to your ignorant viewpoints.
“Please, elaborate, on how masturbation skills at age 10 will help a child to have skills to know when some bozo might be abusing them??”
Are you under the impression that most 10 yr olds haven’t touched themselves for pleasure? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“Forced is the sex. ed program, it is forced and violates the rights of the tax-payers”
No, actually, it doesn’t.
Lifesitenews? LMAO. How about you get back to us with a legitimate news source Nikee.
What a joke you are.
Rex, I feel sorry, for example, that I (the representative of “my brigade” of mid evil religious minority – according to you), have to remind you – the finest specimen of the progressive society – that racial prejudice/racial profiling/derogatory references is frowned upon by adequate people (although, adequate and progressive are not parallel meaning, as you so proved). Fare well, I shall not waste no more of my time on the delusional superior progressive humanist who has no idea about simple manners :)
Oh, so your Mom did influence/teach/passed on to you what you believe today? Strange because, that exactly proves my point, that families play the most influential and shaping part in their children’s lives, therefore, alluding to the parental responsibility of teaching their children the moral context of the sex, based on the family values and traditions.
“Strange because, that exactly proves my point, that families play the most influential and shaping part in their children’s lives, therefore, alluding to the parental responsibility of teaching their children the moral context of the sex, based on the family values and traditions.”
I don’t think you grasp what’s going on here.
Parents are more than welcome to add “moral” context to the facts that their children learn in school. Nobody is suggesting that they can’t do that. What I’m suggesting is that most parents don’t actually HAVE the basic sexual health knowledge to impart that factual information in a non-judgemental form, especially when it comes to their children.
In my case my MOTHER was the sex ed INSTRUCTOR at my school, which is why I got excellent information from my parents. The VAST majority of students don’t have parents who are trained in the field giving them the basic factual information regarding sex, like I did. I’ve done an informal survey within my social circle and the majority of parents admit that if it wasn’t for sexual health education in school they might NEVER have learned anything factual about sex, if it had been left to their parents.
I’m curious – what factual information would you provide to your child if, at the age of 9, they came to you and said ‘I think I was born into the wrong body’?
Would you tell them that gender dysphoria is a real thing and that they aren’t crazy if they truly feel that, or would you tell them they were a sick pervert with a mental illness? And if you’d discuss gender dysphoria with them, what training and support materials will you use and/or provide?
You’re aware that the post you replied to contained no racial prejudice/racial profiling/derogatory references, right?
Or was that a deliberate attempt to dodge the content of the post you replied to?
Savannah, I don’t intend to highlight to you what was said above in the last 7 hours. “The your brigade”, “mid evil religious visible minority”, “handing down of ignorance”, “…And noting how many of the “anti” brigade are visible minorities from
cultures with VERY medieval views on relationships and child-rearing”. In the context of this article, the south asian, asian, coptic, and russian communities are referred to as the majority of protesting mass. Now you would tell me that saying “visible minorities with midevil views” is exactly referring to which of the above groups??? south asians or asians, or russians, or coptics???? and it is racial profiling because the article names the groups and the author of the comment calls these groups “ignorant” and judges their culture as mid evil. You got to be kidding me to think this is ok??and as far as derogatory references?? yes, it is completely acceptable, in your progressive view, to offend cultures that withstood the test of time???
de·rog·a·to·ry
showing a critical or disrespectful attitude
prej·u·dice
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
Racial profiling is the act of suspecting or targeting a person of a certain race based on a stereotype about their race
Now, Savannah, before you talk to me again, do me a favour, and just do a simple check on the google of the meaning of the words you think you know.
Thanks for the long-winded rambling. None of it is relevant to the fact that the post you replied to contained none of that.
Your arrogance is rather stunning for someone who can’t seem to follow a conversation.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender
Yeah, only you grasp what’s going on here :) Do you also know that the Ontario’s former deputy education minister sentenced to three years in prison for child porn. The very deputy that was consulting people on having sex with children, the very deputy that claimed to have sexually assaulted his own daughters as well as other children. And finally, and most importantly, the very deputy who had a hand in crafting the sex-ed curriculum, and there’s ample evidence he
put his fingerprint on what Ontario children will learn in the classroom.. Do you grasp this?
“Yeah, only you grasp what’s going on here”
No, actually, it’s the majority of Ontarians.
” Do you also know that the Ontario’s former deputy education minister sentenced to three years in prison for child porn.”
Do you know that Ontario’s former deputy education minister had nothing to do with the curriculum being introduced next week?
this is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but pleasure IS a fact of life. How depressing that these people don’t know that.
Hey, Savannah! Did your mama teach you any lessons on manners or just sex facts?? Or do you consider manners “antiquated notion”? When you tell someone “you don’t have a grasp on the topic”, or “you ramble on” or “don’t follow conversation” or “you’re arrogance is stunning” DO NOT EXPECT any decent response. You obviously have progressed beyond needing to have a discussion that does not involve offensive tone. I would much rather stick with my “mid evil” culture that allows for respect. Good bye and do not bother writing any more. Your progress demonstrated to me what regress really means.
Respect? You want to lecture me on respect when you’ve repeatedly jumped off the rails on an emotional rant that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Or even worse, is littered with inaccuracies and outright lies?
Seriously?
And sorry, but I don’t respect people who can’t deal with facts.
Ugh, World Youth Alliance, is that where all this garbage is coming from, Nikee? Keep your religion out of public policy. And stuff your ad hominem. I spent 2+ hours today educating myself about your hero (what an egomaniac she is, lol). Did you spend any time educating yourself about the form to keep your children ignorant? It’s easy to file.
we must speak different languages because i have no idea what you are talking about but nor do i care.
Witnessing what is happening at this moment in Canada and the world at large,
you too may be interested in this link, since it concerns our children.
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
“…The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction
that snow is black … Various results will soon be arrived at:
First , that the influence of home is obstructive.
Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten.
Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective.
Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity…” Lord Bertrand Russell
This is called brainwashing, indoctrination and mind control of the ignorant masses.
Parents, do not be fooled. This is what is happening. Please distribute this link to your friends and family
“When Muslim members come to our meetings, we take a five-minute break for their prayers. Christian members come. Jewish members come. Can you imagine?”
Haha, yes, I CAN imagine…all these intellectually dishonest folks uniting in their adherence to ancient, bigoted, ideas that were created by desert-dwelling, homophobic, mysogynist cavemen.
As a mother of two toddlers I am enraged by the idea of people trying to change a curriculum that has been designed for their well-being.
I was once a devout Catholic, so I understand the minds of these well-meaning people. WAKE UP! Stop trying to censor yourselves and other people from TRUTH, FACTS, WELL-RESEARCHED SCIENTIFIC DATA . Canada is an incredible country that tries its best to look out FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF ITS CITIZENS. The updated curriculum is a beautiful example of this. What is dictating your actions? The factual truths of what is undoubtedly better for our children, or your anecdotal biased opinion? You are not “fighting for your rights”. You have no right to censor children from the truth and impose your caveman morality on other people.
You obviously show intolerance towards people with actual moral values. Calling people who believe in God as being “backward stuck in time people”. Well for your information, Dr. Werner Gitt (Information Scientist and Former head of Physics at the German Federal Institute) would gladly say that scientific information supporting an all powerful creator of the universe is most certainly not backward and certainly not beyond the scope scientific possibility. Many other scientists would also agree. The reason for this indoctrination of sexuality by government is because government recognizes $$$ in tax dollars that can be gathered from the sex industry if they legalize prostitution (Just like the Liberal government’s desire to legalize marijuana). They don’t care about your child’s safety (obviously by the downplay of the consequences of sexual activity and S.T.D.s in the curriculum) and would rather set them up so that when their generation becomes old enough to vote, prostitution will be made legal because of the perverted slant they have given to sexual activity. God gave specific reasons and answers about sexual activity to protect and help society to stay healthy. Kathleen Wynn is trying to destroy that protection. It will eventually make her government money in taxes, but cost taxpayers billions in healthcare from the spread of disease. But of coarse protecting society is obviously a concept too advanced for you to comprehend, and I would have to suggest that it is YOU that are backward in your thinking. Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Some interesting thoughts here on scientific theories, philosophy and morality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPVSvzOROU
This is from an expert so that you can see from an expert’s point of view, the impact this will have on your children… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g-nKYtiGE
An expert’s point of view… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g-nKYtiGE
There are some religions or cults that believe “dancing” is a big no-no.
By your logic Nikee, gay people wouldn’t “share” in your “sexual ideologies” either.
Don’t worry. Nikee, if she does have children, will be in for a rude awakening when her children want nothing to do with her because of her “ideologies”
“…but the fear that your children will one day come home with alien values is very real.”
This is a fear felt and dealt with by many parents, especially those who grew up within a different cultural framework than their children. It is people’s religious convictions, however, that empower them to be so bold in their actions, thinking they are being righteous when ironically they are doing lots of harm and zero good in this case.
Ahh, yes. Thorncliffe Park Public School. The school that separates the
girls from the boys and sends the menstruating girls to the back of the
room. That school. You can bet he takes his job very seriously.
Slavery was horrible, but without she my ancestors would still be in Africa, struggling to survive and I probably born there, I thank every day for being a black American, created under Western values and the Western culture, and when someone comes tell me I’m an african-american hispanic, I say I’m American, …. it is time for our society put a end to this situation, multiculturalism is the end of Western society.
What happens when this ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/prayer-in-public-schools-needs-to-respect-all-students/article4201101/ ) becomes the norm?
You don’t “protect society” by burying your head in the sand. Nobody is promoting sex, in fact sexual desire is inborn (presumably, in your case, put there by your creator) – research shows that almost 100% of the population in North America has sex before marriage. So, it is necessary to inform individuals that if/when they engage in sexual activity, they need to be safe and know their bodies. As for so-called morality, abstinence only education typically contains numerous scientific falsehoods, and leads to more unwanted pregnancies and higher risk of STIs. There are a number of wildly false assertions in your comments (not to mention many spelling and grammatical errors) because you are clearly getting all your info from a narrow field of sources that share your views.
By the way, that guy in the video completely contradicts himself in terms of being able to apply reason to beliefs – a belief is just that. You are “lost in the metaphor” and will shape arguments, however absurd, to conform to your pre-existing belief system. If there is an all-powerful creator of the universe, then the only logical conclusion would be that one can not be separate from, or “lower than”, that entity. The words you believe in are the words of men who anthropomorphized the unknown through a limited filter. I hope your faith gives you comfort, but it’s okay to be uncertain about some things – you don’t have to cling to your own constructed identity and concepts. It’s okay to just be here, and have empathy and compassion for people, without having all the answers.
I’ve lived in this beautiful city for my entire life and I have nothing but the highest praise for it. For over 40 years, I’ve been proud to call myself a Torontonian.
But lately, with this stuff happening, I’m starting to get a bit embarrassed. Ashamed, actually. This is not the Toronto I know and love. This is not the progressive and sensible city I grew up in.
It may soon be time to leave. I can’t be part of any society that fears facts, empowerment and education.
It is interesting that these groups keep saying that a minority shouldn’t dictate the curriculum, but isn’t that exactly what they are trying to do?
The supporters of the curriculum are doing themselves no favours by being such racist jerks- the comments here are incredible. You can’t command much respect when you insist that people’s views and lifestyles must be respected, and then call people barbarians and backward, and tell them to go home. Shameful.
No my dear u can teach u r children about sex but I think not for grade 1 r 2 r even till 7 this natural .it d develop in every human . Not suppose to teach
Thanx for u complaint but my dear I m a citizen so this is my country and I have the right to express my taughts while my vote countable. No one have right to speak about who is from where and who came from where we f paying tax the politicians neef our vote .
Canada is a land of immigrants.
What is good for the goose should be good for gander.
On this blog, clearly, racism trumps everything else. The majority of comments here by bigoted white people are blatantly racist. These same people call themselves and ignorantly believe to be, “educated,” “tolerant”, “all inclusive”, open minded and insist that their immorality, unnatural practices, and warped view points ALONE must be respected, implemented and followed by every one else.
You forget that the people who you disrespectfully ridicule and despise, are educated and have an ingrained sense of the spiritual and natural law given by God; together with moral, ethical and social values, especially in the well being and education of their children who God created.
Please don’t forget that these same people live in houses, pay property-education tax; income tax; sales tax; other dues and contribute to society, sometimes more than some of you white people on this blog.
Also, please don’t forget, how white people (British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, Spanish, colonized and plundered the wealth and natural resources from India, Africa and other countries in the form of diamonds, gold, precious stones, precious metals, oil, ebony, ivory, spices, tea, rubber and coconut; animal skins and so much more, from
these people you call backward.
Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims fought in WW1 and WWII and gave their lives not for the freedom of India but for your freedom; the freedom of Europe and the freedom of Canada. These documentaries will educate you with facts not fiction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mswi99wZOR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeuWHGAGvRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqkA4qOJYbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtKy7_n1LA
Also Educate yourselves. Read:
Mass social engineering, brainwashing and mind control:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
By the way, I am not a Sikh, Hindu or Muslim. I am a Christian.
F. Cholmondelay
Great Britain
lamlamlove, “… I was once a devout Catholic…”
A “devout Catholic” never cease to be a devout Catholic. They are always Catholic with the firm belief that we are created in the image and likeness of God with an immortal soul.
“Mark 9:41 And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
You are more than scandalizing little children. You are robbing other peoples little children of their childhood innocence and perverting their minds and hearts.
At the appropriate time and age, it is the responsibility of parents to talk to their children about sex.
Have you forgotten? Pierre Trudeau once said, “The state has no business in the bedrooms of the people..” His son Justin Trudeau also seems to have forgotten.
Leave other peoples children alone. Do not try to brain wash, corrupt and destroy them.
At the very least, the Peel district school board will not allow students to opt-out of learning about gay families or diverse gender identities. One can only hope that the rest of Ontario’s school boards will follow suit so that maybe the bullying and persecution of so many people in the LGBTQ community, and their children will end. Hopefully this will help students struggling to understand their sexuality and gender identity, and help their peers to accept and support them.
I do not agree with any argument against this curriculum, however I do believe it is the responsibility of parents to teach their children about their bodies and sexuality, though not all can be trusted to do so, and not effectively; this curriculum will hopefully fill that gap. I do not think all or enough parents can be trusted to properly educate their children about sexual/gender identity and alternative family structures therefore the government must step in. Having grown up in a same sex household (I am heterosexual, but was bullied because of it) and with many close friends in the LGBTQ community, I know from experience how misinformed people can be and how damaging that can be to children and young adults.
Thorncliffe school practices a 7th century view of sexuality and gender submission which is an absolute textbook reason why the new curriculum should be upheld and enforced.
kids that know nothing are tomorrows victims. this is men from other countries still attempting to belittle females. making sure females dont enjoy sex at all.
the female orgasm destabilizes the mans mind and manhood simultaneously.
these types of males are so threatened that a female might want sex omg NO.
So these 3rd century religions are imposing their hate on our females and on all the gay people also. to them if a women wants a guy to have sex with her she is a tramp for some reason but if its a guy then thats normal to have all day want-on for sex.
any body from any nation that hates on the gays is guilty of a hate crime and they need to be ejected from this land with out their kids so they dont infect them too
yup i told my kids to tell those kids everything they can lololololololol
Just because my values differ from yours does not mean I have any.
So just to be clear: you absolutely trust the word of a convicted criminal, whereas those people who put this new sex ed curriculum in place (including experienced medical and education professionals) are treated with utmost suspicion and skepticism. Okay, then.
I suspect not. The Liberals have more to lose by equivocation than they have to gain. The Liberals have been courting downtown votes pretty hard: downtown votes that already felt pretty queasy about the climbdown last time. Also: all those people feeling cheesed about this have exactly nowhere to go with their votes right now: the ONDP is obviously out of the question, and a PC party whose leader has committed to marching in Toronto Pride is not going to be a welcoming place for them. Sure, they could field a few independent candidates, but all that would likely do is ensure a split conservative vote, and either a Liberal or New Democrat winning. There is power in the 905 and inner suburban ridings, but we shouldn’t pretend this issue is going to matter as much in all of them, especially in three years.
This isn’t just “men from other countries” – it’s done on a daily basis by the Canadian-born as well.
“A “devout Catholic” never cease to be a devout Catholic.”
You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Millions have cast aside the Catholic church for its backwards attitudes and the atrocities it has perpetrated.
“You are robbing other peoples little children of their childhood innocence and perverting their minds and hearts.”
When do you think “children” should be told the actual names of their body parts?
When do you think “children” should be told about puberty? Before or after their bodies start having sexual urges?
“Have you forgotten? Pierre Trudeau once said, “The state has no business in the bedrooms of the people..””
That’s actually not the quote, but more importantly, the state isn’t in the ‘bedrooms of the nation’, it is providing factual health lessons to those who attend its public schools, like it has been doing for more than 50 years.
This isn’t an issue of race, it’s an issue of the religious trying to impose their personal, often bigoted and misogynistic beliefs on the public education system.
OMG…good for you Savannah, for fighting the good fight…but good luck trying to reach bible-quoting people like FCHOL…
FCHOL: You really think it helps to quote a book that suggests eating our children or owning slaves?
Perhaps more important than sex-ed are courses on KNOWING OUR BIASES. Then the future will consist of intellectually honest humans, living their lives peacefully open to TRUTH.
Do you even realise what you are arguing about here? Immigration, racism, religion aside: the facts are facts are facts. Very good and smart people have updated the curriculum in a way to educate our children so that they will make healthier, wiser choices.
It is a proven fact that the kind of curriculum that our province is providing actually has an impact on society so that people WAIT until they are much older to have sex, unplanned/teenage pregnancies decrease, children are safer because they can better recognise unhealthy relationships and will know how to respond to bad situations…why are parents ignoring these facts? Beliefs aside, is it not of all parents’ best interests to support a curriculum that achieves these facts?
Many many experts, who have NOTHING BUT OUR CHILDREN’S WELL-BEING in mind, have updated the curriculum based on RESEARCH, FACTS, TRUTHS, without any other motives or intentions other than THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING of children, BASED ON REALITY, RESEARCH, REAL FACTUAL DATA that tells us what is good for kids. It is SOOO UNBELIEVABLY MISGUIDED to assume otherwise.
Say what you want about whatever: parents’ rights; innocence of children; religion; racism. All of that has zero to do with the fact that THE NEW CURRICULUM IS FACTUALLY HEALTHY, GOOD, RIGHT for our children and for society. People need to stop twisting the facts in order to support their biases.
Are people truly trying to achieve the right thing here? What could possibly make you stop and say, “Hmm, although something does not feel right to me, maybe my premonitions are wrong and this updated sex-ed curriculum might actually be a good thing.” The more sex-ed supporters properly argue FOR the curriculum, it seems the “anti-folk” double-down on their opinions…stop trying to prove you are right and be open to TRUTH
The Bible does not bury it’s head in the sand regarding sex… (It gives a lot of examples of consequences caused by it’s abuse) And yes of course God designed us with sexual desire. But lust and desire are two different animals. When a curriculum promotes sex as a form of entertainment instead of a commitment to raise a family (love, commitment and responsibility are not in the curriculum), then it indeed does promote sex as a potential commodity. My accusations may appear wild but every action has consequence. The larger picture must be examined. Your statement that rejects applying reason to belief is unfounded. Just as I believe that when I take a step forward the sidewalk will hold me up, I have also reason that says that the sidewalk is solid and capable of holding me. Reason is encouraged in the Bible: Isaiah 1:18a KJV “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…”. Your statement “If there is an all-powerful creator of the universe, then the only
logical conclusion would be that one can not be separate from, or ‘lower
than’, that entity.” is an illogical statement. You are equating an all powerful infinite being who exists apart from the finite created universe. You would be asserting that the finite universe (which has a set beginning and a determined ending) to be infinite (connected to God who has no beginning or ending) which creates a contradiction in your argument. An all powerful God can make a finite universe if he wishes, and does not need to be connected to it as co-equally infinite. The words that I believe in were inspired by God to be written down by men (Not made by men for men). No man can predict so precisely Jesus (you see, Jesus is the big enigma that bothers many non believing scientists). Isaiah 53 (written 700 years before Jesus – oldest existing copy to date is 100-200 years older than the time Jesus walked the earth) See the “Great Isaiah Scroll” http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah which predicts Jesus birth, life, death, and resurrection. The accuracy of current translations of the Bible are demonstrated to be highly accurate by documents such as this (and the fragments of the book of John), showing that the writings that make the Bible have not changed significantly in doctrine since their original autographs. (Which can not be said about the writings of any other religion). My grammar and spelling may not be up to par, but you can thank the failing public school system for that. – Something Kathleen Wynn should have been trying to fix INSTEAD of the sex-ed curriculum. The parents should have been given the ability to be much more involved with the sex-ed curriculum creation… and certainly not a convicted sex offender (Benjamin Levin).
James Rose, “…ejected from the land without their kids…”
You are truly insane. You mean you want to rape and sodomize “THEIR KIDS” and infect them with your venereal diseases and brain wash them to accept your immorality and sexual perversion?
Witnessing what is happening at this moment in Canada and the world at large, you PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING AND ALL PEOPLE WITH A GRAIN OF DECENCY, HONESTY AND ANY SENSE OF SELF PRESERVATION should read this. You will be interested in this since it concerns your children, our children. http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
Brainwashing-social engineering started especially after WW II, even before some of us were born. It is now coming to a head. The state has started corrupting and brainwashing us and our children. Some of us have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed to a state of blindness to the truth, a false charity, tolerance and the politically correct agenda for the destruction of our own body and soul and those of others.
“… the Frankfurt School and the London Tavistock Institute, to use the Marxist/Freudian
perversion of psychology and other social sciences, as instruments for mass social
control and brainwashing. ..”
“…The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school
children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction
that snow is black … Various results will soon be arrived at:”
“First , that the influence of home is obstructive.
Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten.
Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective.
Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity…” Lord Bertrand Russell
“…The obstacle to this evolution, Timothy, is the Bible.”
” Eros was precisely the weapon that the Frankfurt School and their fellow-travellers employed, over the next 50 years, to create a cultural paradigm shift away from the so-called “authoritarian” matrix of man in the living image of God (imago viva Dei), the sanctity of the nuclear family, … ”
” They transformed American culture toward an erotic, perverse matrix, associated with the present “politically correct” tyranny of tolerance for dehumanizing drug abuse, sexual perversion, and the glorification of violence. … the ultimate antidote to the hated Western Judeo-CHRISTIAN civilization was to tear that civilization down, from the inside, by turning out generations of necrophiliacs.
” In his 1948 Work on The Philosophy of Modern Music, … the purpose of modern music is to literally drive the listener insane. … and that, only by first destroying civilization, through the spread of all forms of cultural pessimism and perversity, could liberation occur. ” Theodor Adorno
” On the role of modern music, he wrote, “It is not that schizophrenia is directly expressed therein; but the music imprints upon itself an attitude similar to that of the mentally ill. The individual brings about his own disintegration…. “
levin was caught, had nothing to lose; and unfortunately sandals and premier wynne have been caught lying repeatedly.
I apologize. Trudeau did say “…bedrooms of the nation…”
However, You seem to forget that a “nation” is not just a map or a piece of land.
When we speak of “nation,” we speak of people.
A nation is comprised of people who live, contribute, are loyal to and in no way or form will destroy what past generations have built, fought for and died for.
Maybe no classes at all? Don’t some ultra-conservative Muslims extremists prefer no schools at all. Especially no schools for females.
lamlamlove; “FCHOL: You really think it helps to quote a book that suggests eating our children or owning slaves?”
By what you write, you are not only a racist bigot; you are a brainwashed, ignorant, foolish MAN or WOMAN who believes in a lie.
The TRUTH IS: No one other than the parent has in mind, the well being of their own children. Parents have an innate God given strength and will to protect their children from all harm both physical and spiritual/moral.
As Huxley said, the “THE OBSTACLE TO THIS EVOLUTION, Timothy, IS THE BIBLE.”
(the “evolution” of sexual depravity, degradation and perverse, destructive behaviours) selfishness, disrespect for others, deceit with demonic lies.
“Speaking at the California Medical School in San Francisco, Huxley announced:
“There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak.
Producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods.
And this seems to be the final revolution.”
Huxley’s cohort in the 1950s experimentation with psychotropic drugs, Dr. Timothy Leary, of Harvard University’s Psychology Department, provided another glimpse into the perverted minds of the Russell/Huxley/Frankfurt School crowd, in his autobiographical account of the Harvard University Psychedelic
Drug Project, Flashback. Leary first quoted Huxley:
““These brain drugs, mass produced in the laboratories, will bring about vast changes in society. This will happen with or without you or me. All we can do is spread the word.”
“THE OBSTACLE TO THIS EVOLUTION, Timothy, IS THE BIBLE.”
Leary then added his own two cents: “We had run up against the Judeo-CHRISTIAN commitment to one God, one religion, one reality, that has cursed Europe for centuries and America since our founding days.
Drugs that open the mind to multiple realities inevitably lead to a polytheistic view of the universe. We sensed that the time for a new humanist religion based on intelligence, good-natured
pluralism and scientific PAGANISM had arrived.”
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
Well Said Lyubov. Thank you.
Please read my comments here and distribute the attached link in my comments.
A large number of comments here are of the racist “send them back where they came from” variety. They made it an ethnic, racial issue.
The majority of white people are ignorant now. They’re drinking self-destructive, Malthusian, post-modernist, Marxist Kool-Aid that’s been poisoning their culture since the swinging 60’s.
The lefties may be winning now because they’re pulling the strings and have Daddy Guv’ment on their side. People like “Ghurinder” who have no illusions of what totalitarian tyranny looks like will fight tooth and nail against them for their children like any normal human being would. We’ll see who ‘wins’.
The average, white Joe Canuck who’s counting down the days till his kids turn 18 so he can kick them out will side with anyone so long as he has a bottle of beer to suck, some form of domesticated life to f***, hockey on the tube and a pay check that keeps him afloat from one week to the next.
You trust the word of a convicted criminal who would say anything to worm his way out of trouble, over people guilty of nothing more than following the best medical and educational advice. That alone speaks volumes.
Same sex attraction is found in many species. Homophobia is only found in one species: humans.
Savanna,
How many aliases do you use on this blog?
You and your friend lamlamlove seen to be brainwashed and programmed by those who hired you.
You must be well paid. Hopefully not minimum wage.
Cancer is found in many species. Trying to treat it is only found in one species: humans.
http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/
Agreed. However, I will happily tell those people who want to ignore modern science and educational practices empirically wrong. They do not get to veto everyone’s education. If they want to create private schools or home school , go ahead. The first can be expensive, and the second demands great sacrifice, focus, and determination – long preparation is key, and some who try home schooling will definitely find out it is not for them.
I struggle to understand your point.
Doesn’t surprise me.
I am not sure about Savanna, but I argue with homophobes and those who wish modern science would just go away as a hobby. No pay required. I genuinely believe in being nice to all people and learning from the best science has to offer. Imagine that.
“The TRUTH IS: No one other than the parent has in mind, the well being of their own children. Parents have an innate God given strength and will to protect their children from all harm both physical and spiritual/moral.”
So those cases of child neglect and abuse we all read about are … a mirage? An illusion?
No, only the LGBTist lobby gets a veto on everyone’s education.
The Wynne government wanted to push this through regardless of what parents thought. Her sex-ed consultation that was supposed to provide the fig-leaf of parental approval was no more that a piece of LGBTist propaganda.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/05/sex-ed-consultation-a-joke-documents-reveal
Speaking of facts and ‘science’ – Homosexuality was considered a paraphilic pathology for centuries before it was abruptly removed from the DSM in the 70’s. It’s no coincidence that it was taken out after the swinging 60’s when ‘gender’ theories and the beginnings of LGBTism became en vogue with certain vocal segments of leftist or even Marxist intellectuals. It was the first LGBTist propaganda coup. This is not the forum to prattle on ad nauseam about this. People can do their own research.
In time, given the right social climate, pedophilia may also be removed as a paraphilic pathology from a future edition of the DSM. It’s already being discussed in professional circles as a technical question. I believe ephebophilia will provide the wedge. Wynne brought 13 year olds to stand beside her and talk about “sexual consent” to sell her curriculum to the general public.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/27/wynnes-sex-ed-photo-op-raises-eyebrows
Parents have every right to be concerned.
Like being a male or female is a biological fact, not a ‘gender’ choice?
The LGBTists are a minority. The premier, Wynne is one of them. They are dictating the curriculum.
These CANADIAN CITIZENS you ridicule are also “TAX PAYERS” whose “TAXES” are used to “FUND” the school system.
If “changing and progressing” means, someone else teaching other peoples little children the perversions of sodomy and sexual depravity in grade one or six or for that matter 8, we are indeed a very sick society.
I wonder if you paid commentators on this blog have children of your own? You certainly had to came from a biological father-man and a biological mother-woman.
HOWEVER, JUDGING FROM YOUR COMMENTS, YOU SEEM TO COME FROM VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL, IGNORANT, GODLESS AND UNCARING FAMILIES who couldn’t wait until you were 18 years old (or younger) to throw you out of the house..
The words “fact” and “facts” are also very liberally, ignorantly and deceivingly used on this blog by these paid commentators.
“Changing and progressing” does not mean that now we have to change calling a spade a spade.
TRUTH/ FACTS
FACT: A human family is made up of a father-man, mother-woman and children boys-male and girls-female. (this is true even with animals)
Anything other, is abnormal-not normal regardless of what it is called in the name of “CHANGING AND PROGRESSING”. If change is not for the better it is nothing other than DIGRESSIVE, DESTRUCTIVE and DIVISIVE.
Resorting to name calling, culture-religion bashing and threats, proves the hypocrisy and venom of these very same groups who speak of “tolerance”, “open-mindedness” “acceptance”, “peace” and love”.
I firmly believe that it is important to inform our youth. You can’t hide the sun with one finger. It’s better if WE educate them, rather than they finding stuff out for themselves on the internet.
Totally agree with you on this one.
Your “expert” gives a perfect argument why Sex Ed is important. Young women pregnant on campus. Well, if they had been educated and used protection maybe that wouldn’t have happened.
Yes, but who’s WE? Parents? Wynne? LGBTist educators?
As parent we shouldn’t be afraid of what will be taught in class. It’s an opportunity for each individual family to re-inforce our own values. Noting that some families are different but we (our family) follow a more traditional direction. I think that is the essence of tolerance. It starts by accepting people who are different.
Your transparent attempt to establish an equivalency between homosexuality and pedophilia would be risible if it wasn’t so obvious.
Your attempt to put ‘parents’ into one group doesn’t bear contact with reality. There are many parents (including same sex ones, and parents of queer kids), who are extremely pleased with the introduction of this curriculum.
If Wynne was so sure of such wide-spread support of parents, why the need to create and conduct a joke consultation that masked what her curriculum is about?
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/05/sex-ed-consultation-a-joke-documents-reveal
As for pedophilia, I’m not talking of equivalency but trending.
LGBTist ideologues have an interesting relationship with organizations such as NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Asssociation). NAMBLA was heavily involved in the establishment of sodomania parades held around North America including Toronto as well as forwarding the LGBTist agenda. See what NAMBLA has to say about pedophilia and pederasty. I have a feeling they’ll soon ‘come out of the closet’ as well.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=L9Mj7oHEwVoC&pg=PA627&lpg=PA627&dq=nambla+pride+parade+toronto&source=bl&ots=cdqrZ88LUr&sig=j3vn2KyaP4XwAUB_eIJYoGjK4xM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAmoVChMI14rauNflxwIVTAuSCh21PA7n#v=onepage&q=nambla%20pride%20parade%20toronto&f=false
Yes, you have the right to an opinion and the ability to voice it, but that does not discredits my opposition to your archaic stance. Yes, you are citizen of this country but you must remember that this is a privilege (not just for immigrants but also for those born here) and you must strive to accept and contribute to Canadian values. You (or your parents) immigrated to Canada for a high standard of life which you must realize is the product of continuous progress in all fields. Please do not ever use a red herring to try to justify your views because it immediately tells me that you are not acting rationally.
“Sodomania” was the point I knew that you’re an unapologetic, unreconstructed homophobe. Good day. I look forward to seeing such views consigned to the dustbin of history.
I’m not sorry that my views aren’t in lock-step with yours. I understand though; LGBTist ideologues are hell-bent on ‘reconstructing’ everybody else and their children. That’s what these parents are fighting against.
LGBTists always attack the person when they have no argument to challenge what exposes LGBTism for what it is.
WHOSE “FACTS”?
“EMPOWERMENT” FOR WHICH GROUP?
SUDDENLY “EDUCATION” HAS TO BE TEACHING OTHER PEOPLES LITTLE CHILDREN ABOUT ANAL SEX CALLED SODOMY AND PERVERSE SEXUAL ACTIONS AND ACTS THUS DIVERTING AND DISTRACTING THEM FROM REAL LEARNING.
LEAVE. GOOD RIDDANCE
The proposed Ontario curriculum is also pretty well the very same curriculum that was already implemented in Alberta, by the then Progressive Conservative government.
It’s not a proposed Ontario curriculum, it’s imposed.
Jaenic “…I can’t be part of any society that fears facts, empowerment and education. ..”
“EMPOWERMENT AND EDUCATION OF WHO?
Bertrand Russell: “It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young….” “The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children …
Russell concluded with a warning: “Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class.
The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.
When the technique has been perfected: every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.”
Russell and the “Lethal Chamber” …“Education in a Scientific Society.” Here, he was equally blunt about his oligarchical totalitarian vision.
2..Russell asserted: “In like manner,
THE SCIENTIFIC RULERS WILL PROVIDE ONE KIND OF EDUCATION FOR ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN,
and
ANOTHER FOR THOSE WHO ARE TO BECOME HOLDERS OF SCIENTIFIC POWER.
ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN WILL BE EXPECTED TO BE DOCILE, INDUSTRIOUS, PUNCTUAL, THOUGHTLESS, AND CONTENTED.
Of these qualities probably contentment will be considered the most important. ..
ALL THE BOYS AND GIRLS WILL LEARN FROM AN EARLY AGE TO BE WHAT IS CALLED `CO-OPERATIVE,’ I.E., TO DO EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY IS DOING.
INITIATIVE WILL BE DISCOURAGED IN THESE CHILDREN, and insubordination, without being punished, will be scientifically trained out of them.”
FOR THE CHILDREN CHOSEN TO BE AMONG THE SCIENTIFIC RULING CLASS,
EDUCATION WAS TO BE QUITE DIFFERENT…”
“… Russell explained, “MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING CLASS WILL BE ENCOURAGED TO BE ADVENTUROUS AND FULL OF INITIATIVE.
It will be recognized that it is their business to …TO KEEP THE MANUAL WORKERS CONTENTED BY MEANS OF CONTINUAL NEW AMUSEMENTS.”
Speaking at the California Medical School in San Francisco, Huxley announced: “There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears,…
Producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people
will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.”
Huxley’s cohort in the 1950s experimentation with psychotropic drugs, “These brain drugs, mass produced in the laboratories, will bring about vast changes in
society.”
“THE OBSTACLE TO THIS EVOLUTION, Timothy, IS THE BIBLE”‘
Dr. Timothy Leary, of Harvard University’s Psychology Department, provided another glimpse into the perverted minds of the Russell/Huxley/Frankfurt School crowd, in his
autobiographical account of the Harvard University Psychedelic Drug Project,
Flashback. ” http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
Easy, now. No need to shout, FCHOL.
To answer your question, the facts I’m referring to are the facts of scientists, doctors and researchers. The things that have been irrefutably proven by empirical testing and quantitative analysis.
The empowerment is for school-aged kids, especially girls.
Yes, education absolutely needs to be about teaching kids about sexuality and how it’s a big part of a healthy, happy life. ‘Perverse’ is in the eye of the beholder. If you had gotten health and sexual education like this when you were younger, you probably wouldn’t be so outraged and scared right now. This new curriculum, which takes up exactly the same amount of class-time as the last curriculum, will help prevent kids from growing up and feeling the shame, stigma and discomfort that you’re demonstrating.
Don’t be scared, FCHOL. This curriculum is a good thing. And it’s happening, regardless of how much it scares you.
It isn’t a matter of fear but of discretion, judgement and sensitivity to everyone, not just the LGBTists and the indifferent.
Are you talking of Canadian-born white men?
Why haven’t you left yet?
Annnnnd there it is… the insecure troll who doesn’t come to the comments section for meaningful discourse; just to behave like an immature bully. You’ve won the race to the bottom. Good day to you, P M.
I just read your comment. You brought up leaving, not me. Did you change your mind all of a sudden?
You find it necessary to posit your opinions about what you think is mandatory to educate other people’s children against the will of their parents in a place you’d rather not be. I find it odd.
If you re-read my comment, you’ll see that I said ‘it may soon be time to leave,’ not that ‘I am leaving.’ Educating other people’s children with facts and science and truths is for the betterment of any society today and in the future. I’m proud of our province for mandating the new curriculum. But you got me, P M, you got me. It was an emotional reaction and a flippant comment that I now wish I hadn’t said. But I definitely meant everything leading up to it. I won’t be moving out of Toronto, now or in the near future. This city is too good to me.
Fact: Science says that if you were born with an X and Y chromosome and you have a certain appendage, you’re a boy.
Fact: Science says that if you have two X chromosomes, and have a certain orifice, you’re a girl.
Fact: LGBTist theory negates the biological and anatomical basis of sex and substitutes ‘gender’.
https://internationalspectrum.umich.edu/life/definitions
Fact: This LGBTist laced gender theory of nefarious provenance will be taught to children in grade 3.
The post-modernist and LGBTist ideologies that have plagued western society since the swinging 60’s has brought us to a point where we have to argue about what should be self-evident. It’s now morphing into a totalitarianism which aims to re-program children as early as possible against the will of their parents under the guise of confirmation bias ‘science’ and dubious ‘facts’. There are lots of useful idiots aiding this effort. Huxley’s Brave New World is apropos to what is happening now.
If LGBTists want to mandate a sex curriculum on children, they should do so in the open. Instead, they resort to tricks like a joke questionnaire to pull the wool over the eyes of parents and engineer results that support their agenda.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/05/sex-ed-consultation-a-joke-documents-reveal
I would rather side with the minority that has the Charter on their side, not the minority that wants to take these freedoms and rights away.
The only ones that want to take other people’s freedom away are the LGBTists. Freedom of conscience and religion are the first of the fundamental rights protected by the CCR&F. Imposing post-modern, secular humanist relativism on parents and their children subverts the letter and spirit of the constitution.
Your so-called “LGBTists” are asking for inclusion, whereas your side is asking for one group to be silenced and omitted from the currlculum. Public schools are secular and are supposed to reflect their communities ( in the plural) not specific religious beliefs. That’s what religious schools are for.
LGBTists and the useful idiots that support them have no interest in public schools reflecting any communities other than their own.
LGBTism is the new state religion and there’s no ‘inclusion’ for those who don’t actively espouse it. If the LGBTist ideologues can’t get the parents, they’ll conscript Daddy Guv’ment to impose it on the children.
He is saying that homophobia is just like trying to find cures for cancer. These are the people you’re trying to talk to and their flat thinking. It’s very discouraging, especially when for them such an inanity is the final word, like, he told you! I apologize, maybe your comment was retorical, but I just needed to vent.
Wow, you really seem to hate Canadians (which begs the question). But most of us love our country and like our society and are grateful that the totalitarian “morality” of religious fundamentalists was abandoned in the dust of history for some decades now. No, you and the “Ghurinders” won’t turn back the clock. Learn to live with that.
With a fertility rate of 1.6, we’ll see who’ll be abandoned in the dust of history a few decades from now. In the meanwhile, leave “Ghurinder’s” kids alone while your ideas disappear along with you.
Ok, FCHOL, it doesn’t look like you’ll be conceding any of the very simple, obvious and intelligent points that so many people have made…
You can continue on with your religious, conspiracy theorist, jargon. Knowing and being honest about our personal biases is a giant mountain to climb for most people, but it’s so healthy and liberating so you might want to give it a try…
You OBVIOUSLY have some kind of religious bias that is keeping you from being objective…you read everyone’s posts and rather than openly take in new information you are coming up with your next long-winded argument against anything that is contrary to what you believe…
Ha. I’m a racist bigot? For calling the bible what it is? A thick piece of ancient literature that is littered with contradictions and bizarre tales of horror and magic, with some beautiful and wise words here and there to cherry pick…it is incredible, the language some of the “anti-sex ed” people have been using: BRAINWASHED, INDOCTRINATION…a bit ironic…do you even know what “racist bigot” means? *sigh* …oh, and yeah, Leviticus talks about how people should be punished by eating their own children if they “worship idols” or “don’t respect the sabbath”. That’s what I was referring to…
The “double down” effect is so deflating…how will society ever become truly enlightened while people casually refuse to accept the facts that should be changing their views?…you know, like the facts about how our province takes care of its citizens by implementing an updated curriculum that is proven to help children live wiser and healthier lives…for example…
I never said sex education wasn’t important, and neither did the expert. What is important is that age appropriate information is given and that parents are involved with the design of the curriculum. And if the “young women” had never had sex they wouldn’t be pregnant. (If you don’t want the responsibility of raising a child, don’t do it – simple and to the point.)
A lot of you have serious racist feelings which is entirely contrary to what you’re trying to fight for. On the one hand you’re pushing for gay rights and euducation of two spirits and bisexuality or what not and then you’re telling coloured people who many were born here too to go back to their countries if they don’t agree with you! ‘Canadian’ does not constitute white. We should also remember that we came here and went to other lands to take the indigenous peoples’ things so that we could be first world. Let us not forget that if coloured people have no right to be in this country, then we certainly don’t either because this land belonged to the natives before us, and most certainly, we had no rights going to Africa, India, CANADA or anywhere else to take their resources. There are many coloured people who are second, third and fourth generation Canadians. But even if they became citizens last week, this is just as much their country as it is ours…I’m ashamed that the white people on this site seem to feel they are a privileged people while the coloured people will always be perpetual visitors or second class Canadians even when they’ve been living here longer than some of us. This page shows a lot of racism. Democracy is where people have the right to have feelings.
I don’t necessarily see the problem with the new education program, but parents also have the right to have a say in their children’s education. Homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder until 1970’s. The people who were pushing for it were going against a majority who they saw as backwards, and that majority did not consist of ‘immigrants’. Today studies are being conducted to suggest minor attracted persons are not disordered but very normal. In a few countries in Europe, incest is being re-examined as a legitimate and potentially healthy choice. Nowadays, sites like Ashley Madison promotes infidelity, and some Hollywood stars are encouraging pan sexuality and other things. If it’s so normal and good, why are they scared when they get busted, like the senators who were busted for engaging in affairs through Ashley Madison, or the stars who end up killing themselves or develop addictions and real unhappy lives.
I’m not necessarily religious but if we want to teach our kids all of the many lifestyles around because it exists, then we might eventually need to talk about other alternative sexual practices too like polyamory, or minor attracted persons, etc.
The progressive attitude in me must accept and at least consider everything, including the opposition of some CANADIANS, and everything else. We need to be more open, but how open? Open only to those agree with us? If you believe that, then I suggest the people with those beliefs go to a communist or nazi regime that doesn’t allow for freedom of speech.
We re teaching children, but those children belong to parents who have a greater right. One more thing, everyone who is Canadian pays taxes, not just white Canadians.
Also regarding your statement: “As for so-called morality, abstinence only education typically contains
numerous scientific falsehoods, and leads to more unwanted pregnancies
and higher risk of STIs”
Journalist Peter Hitchens personal research disagrees with you… See interview in this article:https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/parents-dont-be-fooled-the-sex-ed-agenda-is-far-more-sinister-than-you-know
It indicates that, although more explicit sex education is being given, rates of unwanted pregnancy and instances STDs are on the rise.
A lot of you have serious racist feelings which is entirely contrary to what you’re trying to fight for. On the one hand you’re pushing for gay rights and euducation of two spirits and bisexuality or what not and then you’re telling coloured people who many were born here too to go back to their countries if they don’t agree with you! ‘Canadian’ does not constitute white. We should also remember that we came here and went to other lands to take the indigenous peoples’ things so that we could be first world. Let us not forget that if coloured people have no right to be in this country, then we certainly don’t either because this land belonged to the natives before us, and most certainly, we had no rights going to Africa, India, CANADA or anywhere else to take their resources. There are many coloured people who are second, third and fourth generation Canadians. But even if they became citizens last week, this is just as much their country as it is ours…I’m ashamed that the white people on this site seem to feel they are a privileged people while the coloured people will always be perpetual visitors or second class Canadians even when they’ve been living here longer than some of us. This page shows a lot of racism. Democracy is where people have the right to have feelings.
I don’t necessarily see the problem with the new education program, but parents also have the right to have a say in their children’s education. Homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder until 1970’s. The people who were pushing for it were going against a majority who they saw as backwards, and that majority did not consist of ‘immigrants’. Today studies are being conducted to suggest minor attracted persons are not disordered but very normal. In a few countries in Europe, incest is being re-examined as a legitimate and potentially healthy choice. Nowadays, sites like Ashley Madison promotes infidelity, and some Hollywood stars are encouraging pan sexuality and other things. If it’s so normal and good, why are they scared when they get busted, like the senators who were busted for engaging in affairs through Ashley Madison, or the stars who end up killing themselves or develop addictions and real unhappy lives.
I’m not necessarily religious but if we want to teach our kids all of the many lifestyles around because it exists, then we might eventually need to talk about other alternative sexual practices too like polyamory, or minor attracted persons, etc.
The progressive attitude in me must accept and at least consider everything, including the opposition of some CANADIANS, and everything else. We need to be more open, but how open? Open only to those agree with us? If you believe that, then I suggest the people with those beliefs go to a communist regime that doesn’t allow for freedom of speech. One more thing, Canadians who pay taxes are not just white Canadians.
Thank you Stephen. Well said. This is not an immigration issue, it is a moral one. Many, many Canadians with roots going back 148 years in Canada, and prior to that on this continent, agree with you. People around the globe who believe in God, including Christian people who have been in Canada since it started or have moved here, and people of several other religions who have been in Canada since it started or have moved here, share similar family values. Canadian values are traditional family values, stemming from the Judeo-Christian principles. The ‘new’ values don’t represent Canadians, they represent Kathleen Wynne and other extremely left liberals. Speaking as a Christian, any one of us who has a healthy reverence for God and an understanding of the protection and security that His views (in the Bible) on sex, marriage and the family provide, is most likely against this curriculum agenda. The very idea of exposing young children to the realities that undeniably occur within sections of our society, without also at the same time telling them that although these things are happening, they go against what God teaches us (in the Bible), shows that these extreme left liberals don’t care about our children and ultimately that they don’t care about their accountability to God. We all have to answer to him, so it is never a good idea to willfully defy him. I pray that Kathleen Wynne would change her mind and her heart towards our children and towards God. In the meantime, as it stands, in order to prevent damage to our own children, parents are left with the choice of pulling their children out of public schools and either sending them to private school or home schooling them. This will have negative domino effect on our economy as well because parents will need to spend their money on schooling their children rather than on new homes, business clothing, entertainment etc. Many teachers will also lose their jobs. All this because what is supposed to be public or catholic education, is now discriminating against a very large majority of the population. This issue, of course, is only one of the areas where Kathleen Wynne has shown us that she does not care what Ontarians want. Two other examples: the sale of Ontario Hydro and now HOV lanes coming in the fall. She is simply a bulldozer who needs to step down before she ruins our children and our province.
Iiano, Your note screams out that you are either a Christian-a-phobe or a religion-a-phobe Christians and all others with family values similar to Christians are not the lowest common denominator. The lowest common denominator is the group of the extreme left liberals. Is anyone else seeing the hatred (extreme hatred actually) and intolerance towards Christians in many of these comments? Wouldn’t singing the praises of tolerance and inclusion yet writing such hateful and intolerant comments be the very definition of both hypocrisy and intolerance?
No, because I’m not labelling anyone as a lowest-common denominator, I am referring to their arguments. A serious position on public policy should be rooted in some kind of rational evidence (the changes were based on empirical studies).
Religious arguments are fundamentally irrational for obvious reasons.
“Ng had heard about the new curriculum through her church”
That is the problem right there.
“Fact: Science says that if you were born with an X and Y chromosome and you have a certain appendage, you’re a boy.
Fact: Science says that if you have two X chromosomes, and have a certain orifice, you’re a girl.”
So what about those born with xxxy chromosomes, who are male but don’t have working male parts? Or those born xxy but have female anatomy? What about those born with both male and female sexual organs?
“Fact: This LGBTist laced gender theory of nefarious provenance will be taught to children in grade 3.”
Bigotry aside, you object to 8 year olds knowing the FACT that some families have two mommies or two daddies? Because you never take them out of the house where they might see such a thing?
And the state is NOT in your bedroom or anyone else’s.
Yes.
And Canadian-born men of other colours as well.
These attitudes are found across the male species, usually in the deeply religious. Colour or country of origin is immaterial. It’s religion that teaches people sex is for procreation only and that women should never enjoy it.
would you like to see just how homophobic the “dissenters” are? here you go – i collected their own words for you all to see. and share.
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
Why do you object to children being taught that LGBT people exist and that they are equal to everyone else and should be treated with the same respect as everyone else?
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
this education could be the sole thing that saves YOUR gay son from being driven to suicide by YOU.
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
i’m a Christian. and a gay man. and nobody in my church is offended, or opposes, this revision of the curriculum. the only “Christians” up in arms about it are the bigots who use their faith as an excuse to be lousy human beings.
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
this education will be the only thing saving some children from having ignorant bigoted people like you drive them to suicide.
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
still unemployed eh?
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
Stephen Bissell is an infamous closeted-homosexual who pretends his faith is the reason he’s “celibate” – the real reason is he’s as gay as a day in may and hides behind his faith so mommy and daddy don’t suspect anything.
amen. i compiled screen shots of the curriculum’s objectors – spoiler altert! it’s a sea of ignorant bigotry.
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/02/homophobic-bigots-protesting-non.html
There’s no hatred for Christians or any other religious group. What the “hatred” you see is for is Christians and other religious groups trying to impose their religious values on the public school system.
You’re welcome to cling to whatever belief system gets you through the day, but you aren’t welcome to impose your beliefs on facts being taught in our schools.
LOL. ‘As gay as a day in May’ – that is hilarious. I usually use “as gay as the day is long” but I like yours better.
“And if the “young women” had never had sex they wouldn’t be pregnant. (If you don’t want the responsibility of raising a child, don’t do it – simple and to the point.)”
LOL – yeah, abstinence works REAL well. Just ask Bristol Palin.
Lifesitenews? LOL – what a joke.
What exactly is stopping you from imparting your bigoted “values” to your children regarding the facts they learn at school?
Why nothing, nothing at all.
but seriously, he’s not sane. safer-sex education works. it’s that simple. you don’t get pregnant “because you had sex”, but because you didn’t use protection. responsible parents talk to their children about contraception. responsible parents also provide it.
“So what about those born with xxxy chromosomes, who are male but don’t have working male parts? Or those born xxy but have female anatomy?”
These are rare chromosome disorders and anatomical anomalies that affect male births. (Male because of the presence of the Y chromosome.) You can read about them here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314712/
“What about those born with both male and female sexual organs?”
These are called disorders of sex development (DSD) or are colloquially known as hermaphroditism. These are generally caused by chromosomal anomalies. You can read about them here:
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001669.htm
“Bigotry aside, you object to 8 year olds knowing the FACT that some families have two mommies or two daddies? Because you never take them out of the house where they might see such a thing?”
Fact: Science (and it’s self-evident too) says that a human father and a human mother are necessary for the conception and gestation of a human child.
If going outside the house provides the opportunity for 8 year olds to know that some families appear to have two mommies or two daddies, then there’s no need for the government to impose a curriculum that interprets this relatively recent phenomenon through a LGBTist lens. Let the parents provide the interpretation.
You should make yourself aware that sex ed has been part of the health curriculum in Canada for more than 50 years.
This update brings Ontario’s curriculum into line with other provinces, so children in Ontario are getting the same updated information, which is relevant to situations they face today.
So no matter where you go in this country your children are going to be taught this information.
Your accusation of “ignorant bigoted people” reveals your ignorance of psychology and treatable disorders and mental disease. It also reveals your bigotry towards those who disagree with gay/lesbian lifestyle choices. Christians are to love others, loving others does not mean condoning what they do. Just like a parent who has a child that goes out and robs a convenience store, you don’t support the child’s actions, but you still love them and give direction (as much as they may hate you for it)
Testimony of a person formerly in a gay lifestyle:
http://www.dennisjernigan.com/djtestimony
For those struggling with Same Sex Attraction
http://www.dennisjernigan.com/resources-for-those-who-struggle-with-same-sex-attraction
At that age they are being taught the names of their body parts.
Any responsible parent should have already taught them that they have a penis or a vagina before they entered school.
You know there’s a significant portion of those who object to this curriculum who are hard-core Christians, right?
You come off as bigoted and judgemental as those opposing the curriculum, quite frankly.
there are no gay/lesbian lifestyle choices, there is only life.http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-church-i-grew-up-in.html
the church i was raised in. it’s a big part of the reason i’m a well-adjusted and happy openly-gay man. unlike you ;)
yes. my bigotry toward those who promote ignorance and bigotry under the false name of “Christianity”.
we get it – you lie so mommy and daddy won’t be mad.
you can’t tell the difference between robbery and being in a loving relationship with someone of the same sex or gender? then you’re not just a bigot, you’re a complete idiot. stay unemployed in St. Catharines. and pretend you’d not gay, so you can still live with mommy and daddy rent free.
but little man, you’re on the losing end of history. :)
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-church-i-grew-up-in.html
unemployed and living in the parent’s house in St. Catharines. man, how you’ve set the world on fire! LOL!
Your comment nicely illustrates why this curriculum absolutely must be updated.
Off topic, but I’m curious – do you have children? If one of them tells you s/he is gay how will you react?
So what is someone who has XXY chromosomes?
The interview with the Journalist is the focus, not the website.
you’ll also likely say i’m bigoted because i oppose the ideology of the KKK.
it’s not bigotry to oppose bigotry. and your using your false faith as a justification is essentially you taking a giant shit all over Jesus Christ. but hey, at least it got your bigoted trashy parents off your back, eh? ;)
A male suffering from Klinefelter Syndrome.
See response to Kiwi above -^
“Male because of the presence of the Y chromosome.”
So someone who is XXY but has a vagina is a man with a vagina, who can carry and deliver children?
“Fact: Science (and it’s self-evident too) says that a human father and a human mother are necessary for the conception and gestation of a human child.”
Actually, if you want to speak factually, what’s needed for the conception and gestation of a child is an egg, a sperm and a uterus.
Which you’d know if you paid attention in sex ed class.
“there’s no need for the government to impose a curriculum that interprets this relatively recent phenomenon”
Actually it just reflects Canadian laws. You know, the ones that says two men or two women have the right to marry, and that gay people have the right to adopt, and that gay people are equal to everybody else?
You’re free to your religion and you’re free to think whatever you want. What you’re not free to do is impose that hatred and bigotry on others.
And teaching children facts isn’t imposing anything on them. It is giving them information that will empower them, make their lives safer, and lead to a more tolerant society. What exactly is wrong with that?
What on earth are you talking about?
“The TRUTH IS: No one other than the parent has in mind, the well being of their own children.”
The levels of ignorance in this pronouncement are astounding.
There are literally millions of children who are neglected by their parents on a daily basis.
Not only that, but often teachers are the ones who reach out to social services on behalf of those children, because they actually do care about that child’s welfare.
“So someone who is XXY but has a vagina is a man with a vagina, who can carry and deliver children?”
You need woman (XX) with a functioning uterus to carry a child. I haven’t heard of XXYs with uteruses and they generally don’t have anything resembling a vagina. If you can provide information to the contrary, it would be interesting.
“Actually, if you want to speak factually, what’s needed for the conception and gestation of a child is an egg, a sperm and a uterus”
Again, you need a woman (XX) with a functioning uterus to carry a child. You need viable sperm from a man (XY) with functioning testes to fertilize the egg. People are more than parts. You can’t produce a child by mixing parts in a box (or a test tube alone for that matter).
“Actually it just reflects Canadian laws. You know, the ones that says two men or two women have the right to marry, and that gay people have the right to adopt, and that gay people are equal to everybody else?”
Yes, everybody’s equal and their rights end at their nose. Nobody should make impositions that disrupt other people’s rights.
So some men have vaginas and can bear children?
Speaking of bigotry, did you actually just compare robbing a convenience store to being born gay?
Seriously?
Which one? You’re very talkative.
The entire website is a joke, so no, I will not focus on someone who writes for the website, or couldn’t get anyone to run their piece except this website.
You wouldn’t have a clue.
Could not agree more. Kids are going to experiment with sex and it’s happening at younger and younger ages.
LGBTist ideology isn’t information. It’s an imposition.
Well given your lack of clarity in thought, it’s not surprising. I suspect only you and your tinfoil hat understand your thoughts,
You keep talking about “ideology” – what is this “ideology” you speak of?
That gay people exist, are legally allowed to marry and have families, and are treated the same under the laws of this country?
That’s not an “LGBTist” ideology – that is a series of facts.
As any curriculum is. And every law. And every budget. I mean come on.
LGBTist ideologues like you always attack the person when they have no argument to challenge the idea.
What idea? You haven’t provided much that passes as cogent thought so far.
It appears you don’t understand that LGBT rights are human rights, and if you oppose human rights and equality there is something seriously wrong with you, not the rest of the world.
Made up facts.
Made up facts?
Wow you really are out of your mind, aren’t you?
Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with Canadian laws.
Oh and thanks for being the poster child for why this curriculum needs to be updated.
You’re a veritable reservoir of LGBTist clichés.
You personify what’s wrong with LGBTism.
Savannah, I think you perhaps have not read the comments to this article. There is definitely unwarranted hate speech against Christians in many of the comments on this page, by many writers who claim within the same posted comment that they support inclusion and tolerance. This IS .hypocracy. In your own comment above, you say :you are not welcome to impose your beliefs on facts being taught in our schools:. These are my schools too. The people who are imposing their beliefs on others are not the people you are blaming. The curriculum is being imposed on everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs, and some are simply protesting being imposed upon, and receiving a great deal of hate speech because of it. This is absolutely pure intolerance.
” I haven’t heard of XXYs with uteruses and they generally don’t have anything resembling a vagina.”
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16934-girl-with-y-chromosome-sheds-light-on-maleness/
” People are more than parts.”
But only three parts are required to produce a child – an egg, a sperm and a uterus. The egg can come from ahy woman, the sperm from a man she doesn’t know, and the embryo can be implanted into any willing and available uterus, even one unknown to the man or the woman,
“Nobody should make impositions that disrupt other people’s rights.”
How are anyone else’s rights to equality imposing anything on you?
” There is definitely unwarranted hate speech against Christians in many of the comments on this page,”
The same could be said of other religious groups, or of other ethnicities. What is common to all of the hatred is a hatred of the bigoted “values” that religious people seek to impose on others.
“These are my schools too.”
That doesn’t mean you get to impose your morality on facts, because that’s what we’re talking about here – a fact-based curriculum.
“The curriculum is being imposed on everyone,”
No, the same FACTS are being taught to everyone.
“regardless of their religious beliefs,”
Religious beliefs are your business. They have nothing to do with FACTS being taught in school.
“and receiving a great deal of hate speech because of it.”
What you are getting is push-back on your bigoted religious beliefs, which you keep trying to force others to abide by.
“This is absolutely pure intolerance.”
What is intolerant is anyone who thinks children shouldn’t be taught that gay people exist and that’s both OK and legal.
The very fact that you attempted to research and post my personal information, displays publicly that you do indeed have some kind of personality disorder, and shows that your credibility is questionable. This conversation is over.
LOL – just because you can’t handle the truth and cling fiercely to antiquated bigotry that makes you feel safe, that doesn’t have any bearing on the reality that this is a human right’s issue.
You lost the fight to preserve your hate-filled version of life. Gay people exist. They’re in every part of society. They can get married. They can have or adopt children. They can be whoever they want to be and you can’t do anything about it.
Sucks to be you.
A LGBTist’s Brave New World:
“The egg can come from ahy woman, the sperm from a man she doesn’t know, and the embryo can be implanted into any willing and available uterus, even one unknown to the man or the woman,”
The woman isn’t even a woman anymore. She’s a ‘willing and available uterus’.
That’s why parents don’t want LGBTist lunacy creeping into schools.
We do not have ‘bigoted’ values. This is just another statement that helps prove your intolerance. Christians have values based on what the Bible teaches. You are quite incorrect if you believe that the Bible is out of date. It has stood, stands and will stand the test of time.
It seems as though perhaps you have not read any of the articles about what it is that parents, specifically Christian parents, are protesting. It isn’t facts that are being protested. It is 1) age appropriateness of the curriculum – the age at which they teach certain facts, and 2) the beliefs that are included in the curriculum. The belief system which teaches that certain sexual acts are good is not a fact, it is a belief system. Tolerance, by definition, is that people are supposed to get along with everyone else and not FORCE their views on other people. Tolerance is not a belief system, it is common COURTESY. The proper definition of tolerance is supported by Christians. Teaching children that tolerance means they have to believe that certain activities are actually good, is not tolerance, and is not fact, it is a belief system. It is a belief system that is being forced on our kids and on taxpayers. If only the curriculum were teaching solely facts, and at an appropriate age, Christians would not be protesting in that case. Once they bring in one belief system into the curriculum, they must bring in all the others as well, to teach what each belief system says about the same actions.
More LGBTist clichés.
LGBTists aren’t satisfied with what they do amongst themselves. They have to be able to do it to other people’s children too.
“We do not have ‘bigoted’ values”
Have you read the bible? Or the Torah? Or the Qu’ran?
All three religious tomes are littered with bigotry, from decreeing that homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals are sinners, to demanding that women be stoned to death for having sex before marriage to saying that non-believers should be killed.
” You are quite incorrect if you believe that the Bible is out of date.”
So women should be stoned to death for having sex before marriage?
“It isn’t facts that are being protested”
You might want to educate some of your fellow protesters because they most certainly are protesting any inclusion of the LGBT community in the instruction.
“It is 1) age appropriateness of the curriculum – the age at which they teach certain facts,”
I have yet to hear a cogent argument regarding this. Experts in the field have put considerable thought and research into creating this curriculum. Don’t you think they know that they are talking about?
When do you think children should learn the proper names of their body parts – ever?
When do you think children should be told that some families have two mommies or two daddies, just like some families have black people or Asian people or whatever? When they’re getting married?
When should children be told that their bodies are their own and that they do not have to let anyone touch them without their permission? After they’ve been molested?
” 2) the beliefs that are included in the curriculum. The belief system which teaches that certain sexual acts are good is not a fact, it is a belief system.”
See here’s where you go off the rails completely – the curriculum DOESN’T teach that “certain sexual acts are good”. It teaches that people engage in certain sexual acts. See the difference?
“Teaching children that tolerance means they have to believe that certain activities are actually good, is not tolerance, it is a belief system. It is a belief system that is being forced on our kids.”
Again with this nonsense. Nobody’s teaching that any part of sex is “good” or “bad” – except parents like you.
LOL – “LGBTism” is a figment of your twisted imagination.
But good to know you a) don’t understand or respect Canadian law;
b) you’re an unrepentant bigot who revels in ignorance and hate; and c) you don’t believe in or respect human rights.
What a winner you are.
You lost your fight to promote inequality. You lost your fight to oppose basic human rights.
The majority disagree with you.
You’ve utterly failed.
Sucks to be you.
Broken record.
“Interesting but no uterus. Likely sterile.”
So men born without male sex organs and/or sterile aren’t men then? What about women born XX who don’t have a uterus and/or are sterile? They aren’t women?
“A LGBTists Brave New World.”
Or science.
But let me guess, science is your enemy too.
You seem to need to hear it over again over again. You’ve lost. You’ve failed. The majority of Canadians have rejected your ignorant, bigoted views. You’re an ever-decreasing minority of people no one takes seriously.
Sucks to be you.
I understand the concern of parents with more conservative views on sex and sexuality. They pay taxes into a public school system, but so do parents who are not opposed to the new sex ed curriculum. The parents interviewed in this article opposing sex ed also benefit from publicly funded services and programs that are mandated to provide services in different languages while respecting and accommodating various religious and cultural practices. How would they feel if a group protested that publicly funded community services were discriminating against English only speaking people by only hiring community workers that spoke second languages? That protest wouldn’t make sense, because there are so many citizens who don’t speak English but pay taxes and should be able to have community programs in their language, it’s a collective interest that benefits many people and that group of English only speaking people can look for jobs that don’t require a second language. Get it? This is what it means to live within a system of services paid for by a collective of tax payers. Collective, meaning no one group’s interests should trump the interests of the whole. Parents who are opposed to the new sex ed curriculum have the option of pulling their child from sex ed classes and teaching them about sex on their terms and when they feel the time is right, while the child can still attend all the other classes that count much much more towards their education anyway (like math and science). This option, to me, seems like a solid solution to ALL parents who pay into this public service.
Here racism “trumps” everything.
Having read the imposed curriculum on young children against the will of their parents, I see a grave violation of the rights of these children and their parents.
It is disgusting to see what is hoisted upon other peoples’ innocent children in the name of science, progress, equality and education.
This is not education. Arousing the curiosity of little children and perverting their impressionable young minds is unforgivable.
It is a ploy to ruin the lives of these children who will be distracted and obsessed with sex, thus impeding their will and desire to learn and be educated.
What does “vaginal lubrication” and “masturbation” have to do with 11 year old
GIRLS and BOYS?
What has “anal intercourse” “oral-genital sex” have to do with 12 year old GIRLS and BOYS?
The majority of you white people commenting here, are shameless hypocrites who talk of only your rights to openness and acceptance by all, to everything that is unnatural and perverse, Yet you want to impose your warped ideologies on others regardless of their beliefs.
When you run out of logical and provable facts, you ridicule, resort to name calling and try to trample on the rights of normal, hard-working, intelligent people who better than anyone else, know what is right and good for their children.
Forgive me for being so forthright. However I am using the same language that is used to teach the children.
Putting ones “penis” in another persons “anus” which is meant to expel excrement/feces from the body; and then putting that same contaminated “penis” into some one else s “oral”-mouth is the most disgusting and depraved act imaginable. That is called SODOMY.
Is this what you want our young children to do in school?
Most of you commentators speak of science, research, scientists, and progress, why aren’t you pundits commenting on this link?
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
It says as you do:
“First ,that the influence of home is obstructive.” Lord Bertrand Russell
meaning biological parents
“What does “vaginal lubrication” and “masturbation” have to do with 11 year old
GIRLS and BOYS?”
You think 11 year old boys and girls haven’t touched themselves for pleasure? You think 11 yr old boys haven’t had wet dreams? You don’t think little girls have noticed that if they touch themselves in a certain way their panties will get wet?
If you answered yes to any of the above questions, you are the reason this curriculum MUST be updated.
“What has “anal intercourse” “oral-genital sex” have to do with 12 year old GIRLS and BOYS?”
You think 12-yr old girls aren’t being pressured into giving blow jobs? You think teenagers aren’t engaging in anal sex so they remain ‘technical virgins’? You think 12 year old boys and girls aren’t the target of abusers who make them perform both acts?
If you answered yes to any of the above questions, you are the reason this curriculum MUST be updated.
“That is called SODOMY.Is this what you want our young children to do in school?”
Are you under the impression that children will be required to sodomize each other in class? Do you not think children should know that if a stranger or a trusted adult does this to them they MUST tell someone?
If you answered yes to any of the above questions, you are the reason this curriculum MUST be updated.
How many of the people against the new sex Ed curriculum have actually read it? There was that list of complaints against it that was shown to be mostly lies. http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2015/05/04/fact-checking-10-claims-made-by-parents-against-the-ontario-sex-ed-curriculum.html
Thank you Downtown Dana. You are quite right about the values not representing the majority of Canadians. More than 75,000 people signed the petition from P.A.F.E. And there are many other petitions that were signed with large numbers.
There is nothing in the Bible about murdering someone that refuses to convert to Jewish or Christian beliefs (you obviously haven’t read it yourself) (Thou shalt not kill (murder)). The Mosaic law was specific to the Jewish people to demonstrate sin and the consequences of sin. Sexual immorality leads ultimately to death through disease. Their God given laws were a demonstration that absolutely NO PERSON can keep the law, and that EVERY person is GUILTY before God and his standards. The sacrificial system was a pictorial and physical demonstration of the brutal consequences of sin, and a pictorial representation of the coming Messiah (Christ). The stonings were the maximum penalty just as the maximum penalty for smoking marijuana in this country is one to two years in prison (which is hardly ever enforced). Jesus became the sacrifice and the fulfillment of the law so that the brutal consequences of the law could be payed for by Him once and for all time. That does not remove the fact that sin is sin. Our obedience to God is no longer from adherence to the law but a desire to obey God because of the grace he has given us by paying for our sin. God also requires us to acknowledge and repent (turn away from) sin and accept Jesus as the payment for our sin. This is called grace (undeserved, unearned favor or kindness). We do not hate people who sin against God because we ourselves are sinners, but we are called to turn away and discourage sin. Sin is anything that deliberately defies God’s designed order. God hates sin itself, but loves his created people and has designed a way for them to have their sin payed for and for them to walk away from sin. THERE IS NO BIGOTRY in the reality that EVERY PERSON is a guilty sinner before a Holy God. People are not “born gay” ( X and Y chromosomes prove that) . People are conditioned by their environment and personal choices and/or affected by disease, which are all related to the original sin caused by Adam and Eve.
Wow, what a great article, thanks for this.
As for the parents, they can opt out, they can home school, they can go to private school. Plenty of options.
Public school, public health concerns. Case close. Leave your bigotry at the door if you want to part of the public system.
we get it. you tout what mommy and daddy said to you in hopes they won’t know that you remain single because you’re a closeted homosexual.
if you’d had this sex-ed curriculum, you might have had a chance to become a confident and secure gay man, not a closeted boy terrified of upsetting his parents.
there’s nothing moral or noble about being an ignorant bigot, but you have my sympathies as it’s clear that your entire stance is borne of desperately trying to maintain the favour of your bigoted family.
anticipate burying one of your children. that’s what happens to gay kids who are unlucky enough to have someone like you for a parent.
Your “expert” is a kook who spends most of her time selling books with inflammatory and scientifically untrue statements. She is in the same league as Anne Coulter and Micelle Bachmann.
People from 148 years ago are dead. So are many of their ideas. Join our century.
You are the one who sounds full of hate.
Exploiting children how exactly? He did not write the curriculum.
Tell us about when you chose to be straight.
Dont feed the troll people.
As immigrants prosper they have less children. Your math doesnt hold up.
You need to take some anger pills. You are scaring people.
You seem racist. Some of the protesters are Christian.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Brevity works.
Sit down for a while and rest. That massive chip on your shoulder must be tiring.
It’s incredibly weak of you to a) suggest I use multiple aliases and b) that I am paid to comment.
You’re wrong on both accounts, my friend. I see your powers of perception are just as strong as your ignorance of reality.
“There is nothing in the Bible about murdering someone that refuses to convert to Jewish or Christian beliefs”
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
” The stonings were the maximum penalty just as the maximum penalty for smoking marijuana”
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
“People are not “born gay””
Were you born straight?
And they’re all useless. You’ve lost this battle. You can’t hide sex from your children. They’re exposed to it from an early age every single day. Their friends will tell them what they’ve learned in class because guess what – your kids are going to be curious and they won’t want to look ignorant in front of their peers.
As you CLEARLY won’t share all of the information regarding sexual health with your children the state has a responsibility to fill in the gaps before their ignorance becomes a public health problem.
So the Taliban has decreed that secular education is not required. Especially, for girls. So those immigrants who left countries under Taliban rule or influence, are now following those decrees, and taking their children out of secular classes. What is wrong with this picture?
http://youtu.be/4LWPcEo2gV0
Paul Harvey, American radio commentator and broadcaster for the ABC Radio Networks for almost 50 years. – 1965
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/02/liberals-cant-deny-levins-role-with-sex-ed-curriculum
TORONTO – Benjamin Levin-( pedophile) interview with OISE’s winter 2009 …said: “I was the deputy minister of education…, I was the chief civil servant. I was responsible … I was brought in to implement the new education policy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8lSUHx0F54
“Is it sex-ed — or grooming? See what’s really in Ontario’s new curriculum”
Ezra Levant walks parents through the new Ontario sex-ed curriculum, from the “anal fluids” to the “nine different genders.”
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/the-first-child-kathleen-wynne.html
“The First Child Kathleen Wynne Destroyed- February 28, 2015 – …”
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
“A… number of PROMINENT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS openly spelled out their goal, of
using the wartime-tested techniques of mass psychological manipulation, to pervert
and control the American people. And in most instances, their emphasis was on
children, and the need to destroy the fabric of family life.”
JUDGING FROM THESE COMMENTS, IT SURELY IS WORKING HERE IN CANADA
The curriculum that is being introduced is not the 2009 curriculum, regardless of what the blowhard convicted liar says.
These are referring to violations of a covenant – meaning these are regarding people who have already made a commitment declaring their allegiance to God then violated that agreement then were commanded to renew their oath or take the consequence, it also concerned the Israelite people who were already under Mosaic Law. These are not referring to conversions in the way that you previously mentioned. (Treason is still a death penalty offense in Canada – Which is what this refers to). Other killings that referred to wars, were not forced conversion wars, they were wars waged because the communities they involved were already killing raping and pillaging other communities which became a judicial act of God. False prophets are a very serious offense to God because they misrepresent him (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). (Which should be a warning to many cults [and even crazed preachers] who make false prophecies under the guise of being information from God). Not to mention, there are many acts of kings in the Bible that are recorded as historic information, they declared that they were doing things in God’s name but were in fact disobeying God. (Saul for example). Regarding a woman’s virginity, The birth story of Jesus regarding Mary and Joseph (when Joseph suspected that she was not faithful to him and no longer a virgin), you will notice that an act of love was permissible to have the woman “put away privily” (sent away privately – expelled from Israel). Matthew 1:19 KJV “Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.” Thus keeping the law by obeying the command to “purge the evil from your midst”. The execution mentioned in Deuteronomy is to the full extent because the woman was dishonest and committed fraud against the person she married and his and her family. If honesty prevailed there would likely have been a different outcome, and probably never a marriage or a marriage to the one who took her virginity, or a double stoning (if other circumstances came to light).
As much as I always hesitate to support these for fear of seeming (both to myself and others) as xenophobic, which is such a huge risk, you are bang on. You have the freedom to believe, but you don’t have the freedom to have your own facts. I’m thankful the Tories are backing away from this group now.
I’m so glad evangelical christians are such a small minority in Canada
The Fraser Institute should add a new metric to their school rankings: % of students not taking part in sex ed
Utterly ridiculous. The guy claims Wynne is bullying him by calling the opponents homophobes? If you start a massive political movement to protest teaching that gay people are equal, you ARE a homophobe. Go back to your cave or your rice paddy if you don’t like Canada’s policy of equality towards gay people.
And by the way, this is the sort of backwards foolishness we’re in line for more of if we admit thousands of Syrian migrants.
Actually, you get pregnant if you have sex and don’t divorce sex from reproduction. This is the key values issue at stake, because it is separating sex from reproduction that turns it into a recreational activity. This is what many parents so strongly oppose, because they believe human sexuality to be about so much more than simple gratification.
well, those parents are morons. do you think brisol palin was having sex “for reproduction” with the men she wasn’t married to? no. she did it for pleasure. and got pregnant. twice. and now has two illegitimate children. because she didn’t use protection.
it’s very simple – if you’re a closed-minded bigoted parent you can tell your children that sex is only for procreation. and the school will step in to inform them that, should they choose to enjoy sex for pleasure, there are specific precautions one can/should take in order to protect against sexually transmitted diseases, and unplanned pregnancies. because just telling your kids “don’t have sex til you’re married and don’t ever have sex for pleasure” simply doesn’t work – as has been shown numerous times.
there’s nothing stopping ignorant and bigoted parents from brainwashing their own children at home. just like racist parents brainwash their kids at home.
but in school, facts trump the illogical nonsense that some bigoted parents choose to impart on their children.
This is my first time posting a comment. I normally refrain from doing so, but the hypocrisy of some of these parents has to be called out. I am of East Indian descent myself. When I read that Jotvinder Sodhi does not want books in classrooms about families with two dads or two moms because those minorities should not influence the curriculum, I wish the author had held up a mirror to his face. According to that logic, maybe we shouldn’t have books about kids with brown moms and dads. Racism has become unacceptable in our society. Why is discrimination against GLBTA individuals looked upon differently? I faced racism and bullying myself when I grew up attending a predominantly white school, and I can say with certainty that Mr Sodhi would not want that for his kids. Why is it OK then for kids of same sex/transgender parents to be bullied? I believe there are two conversations here. One is about teaching kids about sex too early. The other is about teaching kids about tolerance towards individuals with different sexual orientations. We can definitely debate the first, but the second should be non-negotiable. If we minorities expect others to accept us, we need to accept others.
Morons, unlike yourself I suppose, who would prefer that the world be degenerate.
Very well said. The only thing I would add is the important difference between freedom of religion in terms of being allowed to openly practice and express faith (through clothing etc), which must be respected. In comparison, this is an attempt to mold the public education system – applicable to everyone – into conformity with their religious and traditional beliefs. Canada is a progressive and modern country as reflected in our public education system; if that does not accord with personal and traditional beliefs, there are home-school and private school options under the law.
degenerate? like being an ignorant bigot?
let me guess, you also think Jews go to Hell, for not accepting Christ. right? :D
Dr.Grossman is a strong voice with lots of experience. Her book “you are teaching my child what?” Is a must read for anyone who wants to learn about where all this social change is coming from. Let’s start really protecting our children and youth by getting familiar with what she has to say.
180,000 signatures are being ignored. In the States that would have to go before the Congress and we are 10 times smaller.
Wow Dora, that’s really sad… My MP had a rep come to the door. They are supposed to call me regarding an unrelated issue I wanted to take up with him. I need to mention this to him at the same time.
I have read and studied both the Jewish Torah and the Christian “Testaments”. You’re clearly lying when you imply you’ve done the same. Its pretty hard to describe being stoned to death for “(s)exual immorality” as “death through disease”, at least in the sense you mean it. In the sense that those doing the killing in the name of their god suffer from a disease of morality you may have a case. You surely know of all countless times the Jewish god ordered the deaths of non-believers, those considered sinners, as well as those who just happened to be born in Canaan before the Israelites invaded. The biblical god killed countless humans and animals, at the very least by the millions, on their own and had his followers kill anywhere from many tens of thousands to many hundreds of thousands more. This is all very common knowledge of anyone who has read the bible even quickly and without depth. The claim you and other Christians make that all that violence was in the Old Testament so did not apply to Christians while very conveniently overlooking the most popular verse, Mathew 5:17-18, that makes it very clear the Old Testament applies to Christians just as much as it does to Jews until the second coming of Jesus at the end of the world. There are many other verses where Jesus, in the gospels, talks about the continuing importance of the Old Testament to Christians.
Surely you also know that the biblical god condemns same-sex sex as an “abomination” in the exact same way that eating shellfish is also an “abomination” as well. If you truly treated all sin as equal you’d treat LGB people the same as you do people who don’t keep kosher. I’m sure you’ve spent much time in bible study where they always take the bible in tiny segments to hide the fact it was written by many different men over a fairly long period of time in the Middle Eastern Iron Age, either that or the biblical god has a severe case of multiple personality disorder and several other very serious mental health problems that went untreated. But by breaking biblical study down into sentences studied out of historical context it helps reconcile the sick, twisted, and murderous biblical morality with natural human morality most everyone lives by regardless of what their particular book of Iron Age stories says abut anything.
Every single person in Canada came here because they thought their lives would be better here. Who would ever emigrate to any country where they believed their lives would be worse? Even the original First Nations people who came over the land bridge from Asia were almost certainly following game or looking for a better place to live in whatever regard. My family has been in North America since the last half of the 1600s and in Canada since 1808, that’s about 350 years or so in an English dominant land yet my father, and his siblings, were the first generation of my family to not speak German in daily life. Previously English was only spoken in the market for the benefit of customers.
Still to this day Old Order Mennonites like my ancestors were still speak German in their everyday lives, in church, and where ever. They will speak English at the market too but that’s about it. The language someone speaks does not make them any more Canadian than any other citizen. My ancestors, including those who still speak German, were the ones who cut down the forest for farm fields and built the roads by themselves. To claim they;re any less Canadian than someone who speaks both English and French is ridiculous.
A totally absurd suggestion considering how diverse Canada’s population is. Every single Canadian picks and chooses from the multitude of cultural options available to them living within their own social networks. There is no single Canadian culture, how dull would that be? and there most certainly is no right or wrong culture. I certainly don’t like the way society is here in Canada and my family has been here since 1808 (approx.), before that they were in what is now the USA for about 150 years. Where should I go? I find it deeply offensive that Canadian culture is so tolerant of intolerance plus the casual bigotry that’s part of every day life. I certainly oppose with my whole being the direction Canada has been heading under the Harper Cons, the increasing extremism promoted by the religious right in an attempt to force themselves into our politics and change our laws to suit their own religious beliefs.
Telling people to “love it or leave it” is anti-democratic thinking. Opposition to dissent is not the least democratic but fits hand in glove with fascism and dictatorships. Dissent on all manners of issues is the essence of democracy and freedom. How cam anyone be free in any society where they must “love it or leave it”?
The crazies have come out of the woodwork! And there is approximately 35,000 of them.
One really good reason why body part names are important to know very early on, is that if a child gets molested and the police or courts are trying to charge/indight that predator, the child must be able to say “he/she touched my vagina or penis”. He touched my “hoo hoo” or “down there” or anything else is not acceptable and the predator can potentially walk. By kids knowing where their body parts are, we are one step closer to keeping them safe and the predators off the streets.
As for the rest, these conservative crazies and new immigrants have no idea what their kids have to deal with in a modern day North America. Wait till your kid gets genital herpes or some other std because they didn’t use or know how to use a condom, infect others cause they don’t know better, and then not get it treated because they are afraid of judgemental people like their parents.
Or what about years ago when an all girls catholic school opened and people were lining up for a week to enrol their daughters. Within 2 or so years, the school had the highest pregnancy rate in all of Canada. You think you are sheltering them; just wait until it blows up in your face.
If you come to Canada, this is what you get…… Open minded thinking, acceptance of all people and families, and a higher level of education (about everything)! Isn’t that what you wanted for your kids?
You were sounding intelligent until we realized what an idiot you are.
Yes, let’s let the most desperate refugees in the world die and not help them in anyway, because they might come to Canada and have a stupid opinion about their child’s education. These idiots from India, China, or Russia didn’t come as refugees you moron ….. They had money or education and bought their way in. Use your brain you inhospitable fucktard.
Well said
A classroom is not where they re-I force your own personal family values, that is for you to do at home. Each family has different values, and further, each definition of ‘traditional’ is different.
Your unorganized rambling sounds like schizophrenia. What are you trying to say? You first started yelling and then putting up a bunch random unrelated quotes! Please see your doctor and show him your post so can give you the correct medication you need.
Please ask your MP why our Premier not arrested and walked off by the RCMP when she came out on a podium with two under aged girls and promoted a lower age of consent publicly to what is legal in Canada.
Abbey “I am of East Indian descent myself…..The other is about teaching kids about tolerance…”
You must be one of those who call themselves “East Indian” only when it is convenient. At other times these “East Indians” believe they are white and call themselves Portuguese…Looks like the divide and conquer tactic is resurfacing here.
Speaking of “racism” and “tolerance” – Your intolerance for the traditions, and moral responsibilities of these parents towards their children’s education, screams.
Feminists and their allies would do well to watch this educational video just released. on Sep 10, 2015 – Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of “Safe Spaces” – “Tolerance” on university campuses.This includes schools.
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7nqTLcREQ&feature=youtu.be
The Safe Space Ploy – TOLERANCE – Fiamengo File Episode 5
http://youtu.be/4LWPcEo2gV0
Paul Harvey, American radio commentator and broadcaster for the ABC Radio Networks for almost 50 years. – 1965
http://www.torontosun.com/2015…
TORONTO
– Benjamin Levin-( pedophile) interview with OISE’s winter 2009
…said: “I was the deputy minister of education…, I was the chief
civil servant. I was responsible … I was brought in to implement the
new education policy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
“Is it sex-ed — or grooming? See what’s really in Ontario’s new curriculum”
Ezra Levant walks parents through the new Ontario sex-ed curriculum, from the “anal fluids” to the “nine different genders.”
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/…
“The First Child Kathleen Wynne Destroyed- February 28, 2015 – …”
http://www.schillerinstitute.o…
“A… number of PROMINENT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS openly spelled out their goal, of
using the wartime-tested techniques of mass psychological manipulation, to pervert
and control the American people. And in most instances, their emphasis was on
children, and the need to destroy the fabric of family life.”
JUDGING FROM THESE COMMENTS, IT SURELY IS WORKING HERE IN CANADA
As I mentioned in an earlier response to one of your lunatic posts, Please see your doctor and show him your posts so he/she can give you the correct medication that you need.
Please do not insult people like Abby or her heritage. We don’t do that in Canada. You do not have a single point nor have you addressed anything she’s said in your entire rant. All you are doing is posting nonsense quotes and yelling. Who can take you seriously but a medical doctor or psychologist?
Seeing your comments here; my medical doctor and a few of my friends who happen to be a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a Doctor of Philosophy and a Doctor of Theology, told me, that from their experience, “no amount of proof will have an effect on, nor affect people like you”. However, they asked me to “post the link” below, in reply to you.
These scientists and medical doctor also told me that the results of this social engineering, mind control and brainwashing is very evident in you and your like minded allies/masses, who staunchly believe with diabolical conviction that what was once, RIGHT, and normal is NOW WRONG and abnormal; and what was once, WRONG and abnormal, is now RIGHT and normal – that “snow is black”
“…will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black …” Russell
“Lord Bertrand Russell, who joined with the Frankfurt School in this effort at mass social engineering, spilled the beans, in his 1951 book, The Impact of Science on Society. He wrote:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
Russell continued, “The subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship….The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black . Various results will soon be arrived at.
First , that the influence of home is obstructive.
Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten.
Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective.
Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity.
In his 1948 work on The Philosophy of Modern Music, Frankfurt School leader Theodor Adorno argued that the purpose of modern music is to literally drive the listener insane.
He justified this by asserting that modern society was a hotbed of evil, authoritarianism, and potential fascism, and that, only by first destroying civilization, through the spread of all forms of cultural pessimism and perversity, could liberation occur.”
Which “Catholic School” was that you mention?
“…an all girls catholic school ….within 2 years or so, the school had the
highest pregnancy rate in all of Canada”
Everyone, especially the protesters, would do well to remember that they can opt out of their children attending the classes if they do not agree with the teachings. Therefore, they are being adequately accommodated and need to stop trying to force their beliefs on those who want their children to receive the information covered in the new curriculum.
none of the sources you posted to support your ridiculous arguments are valid. Come back with peer-reviewed scholarly sources from the past 10 years if your bullshit is worth entertaining.
How very open-minded of you, Savannah.
And you wish to impose your cultural conditioning on them. In fact, you wish the state to supersede the parents as moral authority. This is what those opposed to this particular curriculum with its age-inappropriate material, object to. And it is not an unreasonable objection. Immigrating to Canada has never meant a mandatory forfeiture of culture, tradition, and the cherishing of the family unit, nor should it, ever.
Creep.
Because the newer idea is always the better idea, right? Just because it’s the newer one, it’s better. Shinier. Must be better. Hey look, a squirrel!
Riiiiiiiiiight.
I wonder why you’re so gleeful at the idea that kids are exposed to sex from an early age, every day? What kind of person would be happy about that? What kind of person wouldn’t want children to have a period of innocence? A time when they can be children. That’s what those protesting this curriculum are fighting for. And they are in the right.
Yes, the “We Give Consent” campaign. Good news if you like the idea of being with underage girls.
Can you tell us why the word “love” is never mentioned in the context of sex, even once, in this curriculum?
She’s a troll because she disagrees with you. Your definition of diversity is actually stultifying uniformity.
Look around you Rex. You won’t be the majority for long.
But they’re having children now, and gliberals aren’t. Bye bye glibs.
Not very tolerant or open-minded of you.
He’s one of you, Savannah. You just learned that these off-white people with the exotic foods actually aren’t like little pets who embrace all your progressive politics. And now you have to choose sides: the redneck xenophobe, or the immigrant ‘homophobe’. Good luck with that!
There is nothing more progressive and barbaric than pushing abortion, hard.
Through this curriculum it’s trying to get access to the bedrooms of children.
There is nothing whiter than a progressive. And when their pet off-whites begin to say things they don’t agree with, they freak out, and it gets very ugly. Then we see how they really are.
Humans are also the only species who make up nonsense newspeak words when they can’t win an argument legitimately. Beavers, for instance, just whack their tails on the water’s surface.
Have you ever notice in these threads, it’s people like FCHOL against a gang, a horde of arguers? That’s why FCHOL is so good you have to beg him to stop. Practice. And who’s the non-conformist, FCHOL, or you lot?
When the mass of non-whites who are just supposed to provide a silent voting block for their idiotic social engineering schemes start actually speaking up for themselves, things get ugly fast.
Perhaps they take pleasure in providing a period of innocence for their children. Perhaps they are not slaves to mere carnality.
Bring it on, Rex.
Is seven different genders and counting a liberal value? And Facebook says there are 50. Who’s right, and what’s the science to back it up?
Interesting that you used the word “stench”. It reveals what you’re really getting at.
Lemmings are also progressive. They never stop moving forward until, well, you know.
This is in the past 2 weeks.
AUGUST – 28, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YvYPD56-U
Dr. MIRIAM GROSSMAN, CHILD AND ADOLESCENT PSYCHIATRIST, came to Toronto to speak on Ontario’s new sex-ed …Ontario’s Liberal government is introducing innocent children of tender age to radical sex education, which is about desensitizing children to different sexual life styles. This sex education encourages high risk behaviours among children from grade 1 to 8.
SEPTEMBER 10, 2015
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
– Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of “Safe Spaces”
This is not for you “cchef”, it is for those who will read this blog.
[14] Talk not much with a fool, and go not with him that hath no sense.
There is a condition where one sees conspiracy theories everywhere. It’s called schizophrenia. There is no shame in having it. Some great minds have had this. You should watch “A Beautiful Mind” with Russell Crow. It may open your eyes to why you are looking for conspiracy theories in every tiny nook, cranny, sentence, quote, or YouTube video you find.
Dora, do you have a You Tube clip of it that I can show as proof?
I’ve read the Bible from cover to cover (takes me about two years).
You sir, must be careful of the accusations that you make.
I did not say that stoning was disease, stoning (and death by stoning) is an example of the consequences of the sin. The natural consequences of the sin is death by disease. Stoning by public example is a deterrent for people who don’t learn any other way but (sadly) by fear. Unfortunately, and sadly as a reality, the death of one person by example, could in effect save thousands of others from self annihilation. God states the act of sexual deviance as sin, gives the picture of the consequence and how serious He takes it.
God ordered the destruction of cities that were corrupt, raping, raiding and stealing from other cities or their own citizens. Those cities weren’t even asked to “convert” (regarding the accusation of convert or die). (Sodom and Gomorrah) (The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have been found by archaeologists (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Ui_MbDzMQ) along with bodies incinerated, and bones melted to the same constancy as a nuclear blast).
Others were told “repent or die” not “convert”. Their sin was presented to them so that they would change their ways. They already knew about God, rebelled against him and were told to change their ways. (Nineveh). (You have not provided examples of “convert or die” suggesting that you don’t really know of any solid examples)
Your quote as presented by you of Matthew is a quote out of context with the rest of the New Testament, and your miss-reading as a rejection of the prophecies of Isaiah 53:
Matthew 5:17-18 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus fulfilled the law through His life death and resurrection. The law is not destroyed by this act in that the moral law (10 Commandments) are still teachers of righteousness. The Jew is still under Mosaic law until they accept Christ as the fulfillment of the law, after which they become under the law of grace spoken by the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 53:10-12 KJV Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
This is verified by the writings of Paul in the New Testement. Also verified in the New Testament that the restrictions on eating food of certain types are no longer necessary (See verse 4 in the following):
1 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Also sexual sin is much different than food restrictions (ridiculous that you would associate an act of lust with a restriction against food). Sexual sacredness was NOT a law given to Moses but an institution given to Adam himself. Jesus verifies:
Matthew 19:4-6 KJV And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
The Mosaic laws on sexual sin only clarify an already existing law given to Adam and endorsed by Jesus Himself.
Anyway, your comments are distractions that are taking away from the actual issue at hand. This site wasn’t meant for Biblical studies.
You ruin your argument with inflammatory language, much the same as those you disagree with.
While I agree with the basic tenet of your thinking, I’m not sure I would like to stand beside you as you voiced it.
And for all your progressive reasoning, I find your description of Bristol Palin’s children as “illegitimate” illuminating.
THIS BLOG IS ALL ABOUT CHILDREN
These parents who are told to “opt out” , should also be able without repercussions or penalties, to opt out of paying property/education tax. As always, children are the victims.
2 DAYS AGO SEPTEMBER 10, 2015
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
– Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of “Safe Spaces”*
Against the will and wishes of parents, our children are shown and sullied at a very tender age with graphic words, illustrations and actions of this perverted sex ed curriculum in Ontario.
This link is a very relevant link regarding children, the future school children, future citizens of any country and no one should be offended. be open and tolerant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2xi9mhmuo
Human Capital – Episode 1: Planned Parenthood’s Black Market in Baby Parts
AUGUST – 28, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
Dr. MIRIAM GROSSMAN, CHILD AND ADOLESCENT PSYCHIATRIST, came to Toronto to speak on Ontario’s new sex-ed …Ontario’s Liberal government is introducing innocent children of tender age to radical sex education, which is about desensitizing children to different sexual life styles.
This sex education encourages high risk behaviours among children from grade 1 to 8.
http://youtu.be/4LWPcEo2gV0
Paul Harvey, American radio commentator and broadcaster for the ABC Radio Networks for almost 50 years. – 1965
http://www.torontosun.com/2015…
TORONTO
– Benjamin Levin-( pedophile) interview with OISE’s winter 2009 …said: “I was the deputy minister of education…, I was the chief civil servant. I was responsible … I was brought in to implement the new education policy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
“Is it sex-ed — or grooming? See what’s really in Ontario’s new curriculum”
Ezra Levant walks parents through the new Ontario sex-ed curriculum, from the “anal fluids” to the “nine different genders.”
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/…
“The First Child Kathleen Wynne Destroyed- February 28, 2015 – …”
http://www.schillerinstitute.o…
“A… number of PROMINENT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS openly spelled out their goal, of
using the wartime-tested techniques of mass psychological manipulation, to pervert
and control the American people. And in most instances, their emphasis was on
children, and the need to destroy the fabric of family life.”
It is the homosexuals with their new found power, together with deviant women called feminists who are bullying and forcing their perverted and disastrous ideologies and immorality on normal human beings.
2 DAYS AGO SEPTEMBER 10,
2015
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
–
Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of
“Safe Spaces”*
They have now come to a stage where they say there is no such thing as a man and a woman.
They want everyone to reject what was held sacrosanct and normal from the beginning of time: MAN and WOMAN.
MAN have sex with WOMAN and BABY is conceived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
“Is it sex-ed — or grooming? See what’s
really in Ontario’s new curriculum”
Ezra Levant walks parents through the new
Ontario sex-ed curriculum, from the “anal fluids” to the “nine different
genders.”
Two women sticking dildos up each other or two men sodomizing each other in excrement, will never produce a child.
These sexual acts are intrinsically abnormal and perverse.
The human race will die off.
http://www.schillerinstitute.o…
“A… number of PROMINENT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS
openly spelled out their goal, of
using the wartime-tested techniques of mass
psychological manipulation, to pervert
and control the American people. And
in most instances, their emphasis was on
children, and the need to destroy
the fabric of family life.”
those aren’t “my” terms – but let’s be real; a non-progressive non-liberal nonsecular society would call them “bastards”. that the people claiming fidelity to “tradition” and “abstinence” can’t even play by their own rules….
lol, this guy.
Amazing.
11842 comments is pretty much a full time job. Posting a comment 1 minute after someone you hate comments, says it all. You must sit looking at your computer screen 24/7. on top of that you do have a very private and tight padlocked identity.
My profile is private due to stalkers like you.
You clearly have no clue what the word means, but thanks for the straw man reply.
What business is it of yours what gender anyone else identifies with?
You sound like Chicken Little.
“He’s one of you, Savannah.”
Here’s a classic example of complete idiocy. Are you under the impression that if two people agree one one thing they have to agree on everything else? The statement was ignorant and bigoted. I’m not a racist and I’ll call them out when I see them, regardless if we agree on something else.
And just so you know, I’ve worked with refugee families providing pro bono nursing care for going on 17 years now. I’m very familiar
What does a particular word have to do with anything? Love means different things to different people. However, the concepts of waiting until you’re ready for sex and developing loving relationships before sexual activity are both discussed.
If, as a parent, you feel your child needs further instruction on the concept of love, then have that conversation over the dinner table.
“What kind of person would be happy about that?”
The kind of person that doesn’t want vulnerable children to be victims of sexual abuse.
What kind of person wouldn’t want children to have a period of innocence?
The kind of person who wants children to be safe and to know what to do if something happens to them.
The better questions are ones you should answer:
What kind of person wants to keep children in the dark about their bodies and the changes they will go through?
What kind of person wants to keep children vulnerable to predators by not instilling the knowledge and actions necessary to protect themselves?
Oh I’ve taken the time to read the nonsense on that site. That’s why I’m qualified to give a review based on my actual knowledge of what I’m talking about.
You’re right. I’m not very tolerant of people pushing their religious agenda in my children’s public school.
As Starfish416 said “Tolerance should not apply to coddling the intolerant. An individual in Canada is free to believe any arbitrary notion they wish, but they should not be given a platform to argue against scientific knowledge and common sense.”
If you can’t glean what I’m really getting at from that post, there’s not much I can do to help you out.
I’ve gleaned that you don’t care much for brown people, their smells, their food, their strange religions. It is to hold one’s nose, is it not?
Ah, so tolerance only applies to those who you deem deserve it. And those who don’t deserve it shouldn’t even be given “a platform”, which I assume means free speech.
Very nice. Can you imagine how that ends up?
It’s actual journalism. which is probably why it seems so strange and foreign to you.
This curriculum will rob children of their innocence and make them more vulnerable to predators. It’s express purpose is to sexualize children and make them more sexually accessible.
Sorry it’s such a sore subject for you. I won’t bring it up again as it’s obviously a painful area. But the state should definitely stay out of little children’s pants, surely we can agree on that.
This case has left you the option: side with the redneck xenophobe or the immigrant ‘homophobe’.
That is the only purpose of this curriculum.
So how many genders are there? Does it change every week? Every day? What’s the scientific basis for any of it?
That’s not a straw man. It’s an analogy, and an apt one. Do you know the difference?
Ha! my post is back. Well anyway, the only place in the Old Testament that the word “convert” is used, is Isaiah 6:10 and is a prophecy of the Messiah.
Isaiah 6:8-10 KJV Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. 9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
It is regarding the rejection of the Messiah by the selfish religious leaders he preaches to, so that the fulfillment of Himself as their sacrifice will take place. That they will not understand until after Israel is destroyed then partially re-built, and that the story of the Messiah will become like seeds. (another fulfilled prophecy)
It makes no reference of a forced “conversion” of any kind in this passage.
No YouTube clip but please read the article on Lifesitenews titled Age of consent, anyone?
Please look on YouTube MPP McNaughton Tables Sex-Ed Petitions at Queen’s Park, June 1, 2015.
What part of your fight to “free speech” is being ignored. To tell my child that homosexuality is a sin in health class?
You can legally opt out of sex ed class so who exactly is trying to impose their beliefs on who? You want to control the teaching of the birds and the bees on your own children? Go ahead… no one is stopping you.
(1) No one is currently telling your child that homosexuality is a sin in health class.
(2) You wrote that Canadians should be allowed to believe privately whatever they wish, but “they should not be given a platform to argue against scientific knowledge and common sense”, which definitely advocates a restriction of free speech.
(3) Now that you’ve raised the point, the definition of “common sense” certainly varies from person to person, and just what is the verifiable science behind gender theory, which is taught in this curriculum? I eagerly await your answer.
1. Let’s keep it that way.
2. Keep your outdated views of sex Ed out of my child’s classroom
3. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/science-in-transition-understanding-the-biology-behind-gender-identity/article25553156/
1. Let’s recognize that parents, not the state, parents should be the sole arbiters of moral teachings for their children.
2. The truth never goes out of date.
3. It is always easier to cut and paste than to think. You sent me the link to an article that is a summation of ideologically-driven bunkum. Your first indication that there is zero science behind gender theory (hence the word ‘theory’) is that the proposed number of ‘genders’ is always changing, according to peoples’ feelings and whims. If you support gender theory, you have forfeited the right to invoke the authority of science.
Wanting to change gender is not a whim.
What is your scientific evidence on this theory?
Here’s a famous advertising jingle from decades ago: “Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t. Almond Joy’s got nuts. Mounds don’t. Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don’t.”
It very much sums up the ethos behind gender theory. As does the Morris Alpert song “Feelings, nothing more than feelings.”
I see no science in it, whatsoever.
But I am very interested in learning about the hard, unchangeable scientific basis that underpins gender theory. Please proceed in enlightening me.
So, what you’re saying, in a nutshell is, “Hey immigrant, show some gratitude and get with the moral program of downtown Toronto know-it-alls.” Seems a tad, what’s the word, paternalistic, to me, oh great white bwana!
You also argue that, while people should be able to believe anything they wish, if those beliefs are of the wrong kind, they should not be allowed to express them publicly.
Anyone with half a brain can imagine where that will take us.
And incidentally, what IS the scientific knowledge that underpins the kind of gender theory pushed in this curriculum?
or perhaps they are perverting the meaning of ‘innocence’ which is ‘without harm, without guilt’….which is what sex ed is all about. There are so many problems with this perspective.
a) children are already repressed enough, and now you’re justifying misinforming them for your own pleasure–sounds fair
b) your belief that sexual expression and pleasure are somehow opposite to innocence, and therefore harmful is based on your own cultural beliefs (probably stemming from religion) and they do NOT change the facts of life.
While we’re at it, why don’t we show kids how to start a fire in chemistry class….oh but be sure not to tell them fire burns. God forbid they should know pain. They’re too young for pain. Since WHEN does informing someone of something make them a slave to it! HA
c) If you read the curriculum you know that it’s not focused carnal orgy parties like people want us to believe.
d) All those parents who think this will prevent their kids from learning about different forms of sexual expression are sadly mistaken. As someone who remembers my primary education very clearly, I can tell you I learned many things the hard way, and now wish I had been properly educated in the start. Your kids are going to be exposed through friends and the internet. And that’s the moment they begin to internalize the GUILT. That’s when they begin to lose their innocence because they now believe they’ve done something wrong and are being judged.
If you want to teach your children morals, please feel free. But save it for philosophy class or church.
haha..ya, I bet you used that method as a teenager too right.. !
that’s such a cop out excuse and it’s not true. There’s no reason why informing kids of pleasure should take away from discussing any other aspects of human sexuality. These parents are doing what keeps them sleeping well and makes them feel they have less work to do and that’s that!
Some people are born with both genders. Are denying that doesn’t exist? How much science proof do you need? You are a hateful human being and I’m glad you have revealed your ugly soul in your posts. God help you.
Exactly correct Rusty. Sadly some of the minds here have already been twisted by media and Hollywood and misconstrued information. Most TV shows and Movies don’t teach the consequences, because they over emphasize pleasure and romance, instead of teaching reality and consequence (which education should teach to offset the pleasure based media). The act becomes a drug, a way to get a high. They become drug addicts – addicted to their own lust and bodily chemistry looking for their next fix… becoming sexual predators instead of having healthy relationships. Much like Ben Levin.
Your views on children and sex are disturbing, and disturbingly and depressingly prevalent. Let children be children. Allow their childhoods to be free of pervert adults like yourself introducing concepts of sexual pleasure into their lives. Hands off the kids, degenerate pervert.
A tiny, tiny minority are born as hermaphrodites. What’s the scientific basis for the seven genders noted in this curriculum’s teaching? What’s the basis for the 50-plus, or whatever it is today referenced for Facebook’s identification purposes? Where’s the science? Or do you just want to speak of my ugly soul? God help the children from the misguided social and sexual experimentation that is this curriculum.
When you indoctrinate people, especially young children, in groups, the desired outcome is to break down their inhibitions.It’s a time-tested method.
designer girl: “Some people are born with both genders..”
It is rare.
This tiny minority of people did not chose this abnormal condition, just as the very few born with two heads or conjoined at the chest or abdomen did not choose this either.
These abnormalities must be treated medically, psychologically and sometimes psychiatric treatment is also needed.
These abnormalities should not be fostered and coddled as being normal. Most importantly, this does not mean that now, this abnormal condition must be hoisted upon the majority who MUST believe that this abnormal condition is desirable and normal. or, That the majority must now try to grow two heads or cut off their limbs.
designer girl: “You are a hateful human being and I’m glad you have revealed your ugly soul in your posts. God help you.”
Telling the TRUTH does not mean ‘hateful’, just as when a responsible and good mother and father tell their children, that drugs are dangerous and harmful-could kill.
Since you seem to believe in “soul” and “God…” these links may enlighten you.
GOD created MAN and WOMAN. That cannot be changed.
Family is: one Father-MAN have sex with one-Mother-WOMAN and baby-BOY or GIRL is conceived and is born. This is called procreation for the continuation of the human race.
2 DAYS AGO SEPTEMBER 10, 2015
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
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Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of “Safe Spaces”*
Against the will and wishes of parents, our children are shown and
sullied at a very tender age with graphic words, illustrations and
actions of this perverted sex ed curriculum in Ontario.
This link is a very relevant link regarding children, the future school children, future citizens of any country and no one should be
offended. be open and tolerant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
Human Capital – Episode 1: Planned Parenthood’s Black Market in Baby Parts
AUGUST – 28, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
Dr. MIRIAM GROSSMAN, CHILD AND ADOLESCENT PSYCHIATRIST, came to Toronto to speak on Ontario’s new sex-ed …Ontario’s Liberal government is introducing innocent children of tender age to radical sex education, which is about desensitizing children to different sexual life styles.
This sex education encourages high risk behaviours among children from grade 1 to 8.
http://youtu.be/4LWPcEo2gV0
Paul Harvey, American radio commentator and broadcaster for the ABC Radio Networks for almost 50 years. – 1965
http://www.torontosun.com/2015…
TORONTO
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Benjamin Levin-( pedophile) interview with OISE’s winter 2009 …said: “I was the deputy minister of education…, I was the chief civil servant. I was responsible … I was brought in to implement the new education policy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
“Is it sex-ed — or grooming? See what’s really in Ontario’s new
curriculum”
Ezra Levant walks parents through the new Ontario sex-ed curriculum, from the “anal fluids” to the “nine different genders.”
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/…
“The First Child Kathleen Wynne Destroyed- February 28, 2015 – …”
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html#links
“A… number of PROMINENT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS openly spelled out their goal, of using the wartime-tested techniques of mass psychological manipulation, to pervert and control the American people. And in most instances, their emphasis was on children, and the need to destroy the fabric of family life.”
Right now it is the “intolerant” that is being “coddled”
2 DAYS AGO SEPTEMBER 10, 2015
http://youtu.be/KP7nqTLcREQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
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Professor Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa discusses the meaning of “Safe Spaces”*
Against the will and wishes of parents, our children are shown and
sullied at a very tender age with graphic words, illustrations and
actions of this perverted sex ed curriculum in Ontario.
In this video – (Canada) Look at the gays and lesbians who are violently trying to stop this professor with her “scientific knowledge and common sense” from speaking; and are shoving, yelling, pushing, striking and hitting other students who do not agree with them.
Look at the chancellor who strikes a student. This is supposed to be a place of higher learning-Education in Canada.
Where is the “Tolerance”?
Where is the freedom of speech?
Where were the police?
Where was the law?
AUGUST – 28, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
Dr. MIRIAM GROSSMAN, CHILD AND ADOLESCENT PSYCHIATRIST, came to Toronto to speak on Ontario’s new sex-ed …Ontario’s Liberal government is introducing innocent children of tender age to radical sex education, which is about desensitizing children to different sexual life styles. This sex education encourages high risk behaviours among children from grade 1 to 8.
Homosexuality is an abnormal condition to be treated.
BEING HOMOSEXUAL IS NOT A SIN.
HOMOSEXUAL ACTS OF SODOMY ARE SINFUL.
SODOMY is one of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance, because usually the victims of sodomy are children.
Remember, the little 12 yr. old, shoe shine boy, Emanuel Jacques who was raped, tortured for 13 hours and them murdered by 3 or 4 homosexuals in the early 70’s in Toronto, Canada?
Thank God he was not your or my child.
Since you are so open to the new curriculum telling little children explicitly about “oral-anal sex” I too will tell you:
Wallowing in excrement in the anus and then shoving the same penis into the mouth-oral is disgusting and disease riddled.
Telling little children that this is normal is a sin.
God also created people with two genders. So isn’t trying to “fix” them going against God”s wishes? Hypocrite!
Well so much for rational debate! May be best to move your kids to a country that doesn’t believe in science.
There is nothing wrong with children learning proper names for body parts. There is something very wrong though with letting little kids look around on YouTube without supervision. My kid knows the word “vulva” and he hasn’t looked it up on YouTube because I don’t use screentime as a babysitter.
There is no science in your position. Just your sick assertion that children are sexual and need to learn about pleasure. You’re a person after Ben Levin’s own hard drive.
Found it… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nxNxtqmxTA
over 180,000 people in opposition is a serious indication of non-parental consent..
Babies born with cleft pallet and hair lip get fixed;
Babies born with congenital heart disease get fixed;
Babies born without hands and legs due to drugs their mothers took while pregnant get fixed with prosthetic limbs;
Babies born with two heads and conjoined at the stomach undergo surgery to separate them;
Babies born with other diseases and abnormalities get medical attention and treatment.
The abnormality of having two different sexual organs also needs to be treated and corrected just as all the above abnormal conditions.
God wishes these people to be treated and healed. He went about healing and restoring sight to the blind, curing lepers, healing the sick; forgiving sinners, asking them to sin no more.
Sore racist, intolerant losers end up calling those who don’t agree with them names; such “hypocrite” “intolerant”, “close-minded”, “immigrant, go-back to where you came from” “tax payers money…”
With an open mind, watch the links provided. It should educate you.
Sodomy is against God’ law and natural law. Priming babies to sodomize each other is a sin. You did not comment on Emanuel Jacques. Wonder why?
You spew so many false statements that it would take me all day to correct you… the majority of pedophiles and child molesters are heterosexual males. Look it up!!
haha…inevitable.
really? the sex industry? serious? what a leap!
they’re not promoting sex as “entertainment” for God sake. They’re informing kids of the physiological effect it will have. You would need to have a neurological disorder not to know about this…
I’m sorry, but someone lied to you as a child. Please go do some biological/psychological research.
Please stop aiding the sexual exploitation of children, pervert.
Tangeli, I see… so you believe that Dr. Miriam Grossman has a neurological disorder? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g-nKYtiGE She recognizes the possible danger, as do 180,000 people that signed the petitions.
Little Kiwi, This is by no means to be mean spirited, or rude to you. As the Bible says:
Romans
12:16-18 KJV Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. ***Provide things honest*** in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, ***live peaceably with all men***.
I am posting this to you to give you a Christian’s perspective on homosexual dispositions as related to a Christian’s moral responsibility. Ravi Zacharias has always been an excellent speaker and apologeticist. Please do not feel that I am attacking you on this issue, this is merely for your own personal examination.
You have been quite rude to me and have made false accusations and attacks on my personal character and this is not a true representation of a person who is “well adjusted” and loves God. (As another posted who apparently sides with you on certain issues – Your behavior negatively effects your credibility and they can not see themselves standing beside you in support). We are all human and we all occasionally give in to reactions of rash and defensive reactions when we feel something or someone is making an attack on our personal character.
This will be my last post to you, as I do not wish to engage in potentially harmful conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cHQwyIvZgo
I hope and pray for you to honestly and truthfully seek God’s will for your life.
Seems like you’re projecting your own sensitivities onto my comment. To compare the spread of bigotry and religious nonsense to a foul odor has nothing to do with the various cultural edifices of any people per se. I said nothing about anyone’s skin colour, body odor, or food. But that their various dogmas fuel their bigotry and idiocy is something you obviously are not able to argue against. Against those things one can’t or shouldn’t hold their nose because that would be an equivocation that we must tolerate intolerance: utterly stupid self-cancelling nonsense.
Those parents were asserting their God-given rights to be the chief arbiter in the moral education of their children. Parents, not the state, as first educators. If this is what you’ve decided to term bigotry and idiocy, that’s your prerogative. But you’re quite mistaken. And all you have to offer is name-calling.
Savannah – you are forgetting the subject of this debate. The protest is against public/catholic schools being required to teach our children this new sex ed curriculum at a young age, because the curriculum represents a different world view (belief system = religion) than a Christian world view or some other religions’ world views. The religion this sex ed curriculum is teaching is humanism (a system of values and beliefs that is based on the idea that people are basically good and that problems can be solved using reason instead of religion).
Nobody is trying to hide sex from their children. They simply want to be the educators of this topic, especially at this extremely young age, AND NOT the public schools. They will teach their own children to protect themselves according to their individual child’s development, their individual child’s environmental factors etc. You are coming across as extremely mean-spirited, uneducated and intolerant. I am sad for you for being unable to discern sincere love for children because of your hatred for Christians and others who don’t believe what you believe. Authority figures such as teachers simply can’t expose vulnerable children to the humanistic view of sex, as if it’s okay under certain circumstances (old enough, have or gave consent, have explored their sexual identity etc.). Lack of consent is important, of course, because otherwise it is rape or molestation. I doubt there are any parents these days who don’t teach their children not to let anyone touch their body and especially their private parts – even very strict, religious people, but the flip side of the implication in the curriculum is that consent makes touching and sex okay. That is a belief, not a fact. Same as Christians and others believe that sex is okay once you’re married, and marriage is okay as defined in OT/Torah/NT or other religion’s books. The belief system is what is wrong with the curriculum.
FYI – What happened in the historical books of the Bible’s old testament (OT), or what exists in the Jewish Mosaic Laws (OT/Torah), are irrelevant to whether or not people should be able to teach their own young children about sex instead of the public schools. Taking these historical things that happened in OT times completely out of context to lead people astray is very brave. Very brave because it is precisely for leading people astray (or for being completely immoral or for being extremely evil or for not allowing God’s people to worship Him the way he had commanded them) that God brought about most of the judgment you have mentioned from OT times. Don’t be fooled – although he brought swift and visible judgment in OT times against these things, and he doesn’t do that today, doesn’t mean he won’t bring judgment for those things at all. He is patient with people today (NT times), because Jesus has paid the penalty for sin, and he chooses, for the most part, to give people a lifetime to turn away from sin and follow him (Paraphrase of 2 Peter 3:9). This does not mean judgment isn’t coming – it will come, and God was, is, and will be the judge who metes it out.
The named sins in the OT are the same as the named sins in the NT. All of this discussion about what is sin and what is not, and how God brought about judgment in the OT times deflects away from the main point of the Christian Bible, which I’m guessing is what you want to debate now, rather than the debate on teaching sex to our children.
The point of the Bible is not to point out who’s doing which sin. It
is to reveal God’s plan to us.
– That he created the world, everything in and about the world, including people.
– That people (Adam & Eve) rebelled against him.
– That, since everyone descended from Adam & Eve, everyone after them was born with a sinful nature inside – naturally prone to do wrong – sinners. (Humanist Religion teaches that we are all basically good – this is completely and utterly against OT/Torah & NT).
– It is not the specific sins that a person commits that cause them to be in trouble with God, but the FACT that we all sin and fall short in front of God.
– We are all already condemned and need a saviour, even before we actually commit any sins. The specific sins are still sins, and
whichever ones we engage in are wrong and need to be turned away from, but ultimately, it is because we are sinners, period, that we need a saviour.
– God cannot accept sin because he is perfect, holy, righteous, just
– He loves his people whom he created
– So to show his love and save people, required him to do something, because we, as people, are not capable of fixing the problem of sin
– In OT, God set up a covenant with the Israelites as his people, and gave Moses laws to be strictly followed with various rituals representing cleansing from sin and worship to God, sometimes with immediate judgments for certain sins. Christians and Jewish people believe the OT history, laws, prophecies and poetic books point to the coming of a Messiah who will ultimately save his people and free them from the law.
– Christians believe Jesus is this Messiah and that God sent him as the ultimate sacrifice for sin. He died on the cross and was cut off from God (ie endured hell) for 3 days to pay for our sins, in our place.
– Three days later, he rose from the dead and triumphed over sin and punishment/hell for those who believe in him.
– He now asks people to come to him in faith, believing that he has paid the penalty for their sin, and turn away from sinning, following him (his teachings) instead
– he promises a fulfilled and joy filled life, even under pressure and in hard times, by entering into a father/child and King/servant relationship with us
– He promises that his spirit (the Holy Spirit), will be with us to teach us how to follow his teaching, to give us the strength to live righteously and stand up under pressure, and he actually works in us to change our character from bad to good characteristics from the inside out.
– One day, Jesus will return a second time, and time will run out for accepting him.
– As Christians, we cannot stand by and let people go into judgment without letting them know what God says. That would be cruel. Jesus commands us to tell other people about this. (not to force them to convert, simply to tell)
– Jesus and his disciples told people about their sin and what
Jesus did on the cross, and many people believed.
– Many, many people still believe today when someone tells them
about Jesus; Christianity will not die out; God wins (has
already won). It is growing in leaps and bounds in the
southern continents. It’s predicted that there will be 3 billion
Christians in the world by 2050.
If teachers, who are authority figures to children, teach children on a regular basis about humanistic religious views on sex, without countering the curriculum to also teach other religious views, what do you think will happen over time?
Saying that sin, especially those that are clearly named in the Bible, is not a sin, goes against the God of the Bible. This is what is wrong
with the sex ed curriculum from a Christian standpoint.
And there you go. Human rights are not ‘god-given’, they are inalienable and defined by our progress as a secular society, which is the only way we can create equitable standards outside of every disparate set of conflicting dogmas. Parents may wish to hold their children up to a set of morals that they espouse, but in reality children, their friends, their teachers, their community, society, and yes their parents all contribute to their education. To think otherwise is naive, and this curriculum is certainly more aware of that than you are. So yes, it is idiocy, and the specific views of most of the ‘parents’ making fools of themselves at the seat of our provincial government are very explicitly bigoted. So please point out where the ‘name-calling’ is. Simply because you don’t like something does not make less factual or an ad hominem. And please read the curriculum, keeping your god out of it.
You call people idiotic because they assert their rights as parents, yes, their God-given rights, to be the first educators of their own children. That’s name-calling. Just because you’re an inveterate suck-up to the state doesn’t mean everyone is, and it does not make them idiots. This curriculum, designed in large part by a convicted child pornographer and pedophile, Ben Levin, is primarily designed to sexualize children. Opposition to it is a sane, healthy reaction, even if inveterate toadies such as yourself are incapable of understanding that.
And out comes the paranoia, misinformation, and largely stupidity. Our curriculum was created through rigorous academic and democratic mechanisms that are necessarily secular. While my critique of these ‘parents’ is rightfully cutting and rational, your response is so transparently couched the propaganda spread by those lovely religiously-sanctioned and bone-headed neo-Con organizations who are only at it for their own political agendas. Keep your self serving piety and bullshit morality to yourself; all of the rest of Ontario’s school children and parents demand it.
are you just the biggest repository of bullshit
If you really want to have a conversation about this, you’re going have to stop lying about it. Thorough rigorous academic process? No, but it was headed by convicted child pornographer, pedophile and avid incest family fiction author Ben Levin. It’s motivated not by science but by sexual politics and social engineering. Democratic mechanisms? No, documents show the consultation process was largely a sham, and necessarily so because the last time the Liberals tried to ram this through they got burned. Neo-con organizations? Absolutely not. Had you unplugged your nose long enough and opened your eyes you would have observed in that demonstration a genuine grass-roots revolt by concerned parents. Parents who have read this curriculum and see far too much, too soon, being taught to those who are too young. Parents who refuse to meekly cede their parental authority to that of the state. Parents who aren’t inveterate state-sucks, as you are. Many aren’t the same colour as you are, but you’re going to have to consider that they might have a point of view worth listening to, as hard as that might be to admit.
“Sexual politics and social engineering”
“God-given rights”
“inveterate suck-up to the state”
“Parents, not the state, as first educators.”
“cede their parental authority to that of the state”
Want to regurgitate any more neo-con tropes for us or are you done? There’s quite enough of this bullshit being smeared around by idiotic and blatantly bigoted ‘grass-roots’ groups like the Parents Alliance of ON, the Thorncliffe ‘parents’ Association, the ‘Well Informed Parent’, the United Front Canada, the Campaign Life Coalition, and all their other disgusting religiously fueled spawn. The only thing genuine about these organization is the vile intent, religious bigotry, and anti-science rhetoric they represent.
I did observe the demonstration as noted above. I witnessed first hand the un-Canadian rhetoric, dogma, and verbal diarrhea teetering on assault (towards my girlfriend who had the tenacity to speak out against men blatantly told her it was not her place because of her gender), at the seat of our provincial government. You wish to defend this garbage, fine. But I’ll be right here, correcting your nonsense and pointing out your stupidities. Ideas hold no colour, and that’s all this bigoted religious bullshit comes down to. Terrible ideas.
seek help
camh.ca
Because that’s what religion is known for: tolerance and open-mindedness.
Speak all the bullshit you want. The great thing is you will never be a teacher, and your bullshit will never be taught in school.
It’s very interesting what you find to be “disgusting”. If you find parents standing up for their right to be the primary guides in the moral education of their children, then your moral compass is perverted. Parents as first educators is an excellent idea. Time-tested and true. If you think it’s a “terrible” idea, then you’re a living embodiment of the old observation “In professing themselves wise, they revealed themselves to be fools”, though you might find yourself reflexively uncomfortable at the source of that bit of truth, because you tend to pre-judge ideas not based on merit, but based on source. Because you’re prejudiced.
Sorry if your girlfriend lost an argument. I was at that demonstration, and found it to be made up almost entirely of families and their children, and therefore at least 50/50 male/female, if not slightly predominantly female. I noticed you’ve tried several times to make it sound as though it was predominantly male. That’s because you’re dishonest.
But please, tell me all about science, since you brought it up. This curriculum teaches the existence of seven different genders in humans. Can you tell me what scientific research backs this up? Can you tell me why, in the field of gender theory, this number is always changing?
Rational observation and empirical evidence do not qualify as cultural conditioning. It’s 2015, superstition has no place in the education of any child. A wise person knows that a child is not a possession to be indoctrinated and a belief system is not reality. I do understand that it’s hard to break the cycle – especially with strongly held beliefs and the fear of retribution by parents or an imagined deity.
“It’s 2015” is not an argument. Once upon a time it was 1915. Someday it will be 2115. So what? Don’t fool yourself, you are very committed to a belief system. It just happens to be an aggressively secular, sexual political one where the state supersedes parental authority and the children’s minds and souls are the trophies. Pure evil. But then, in the mindscape of one who has rejected God, that word has no meaning.
“Ah, how the seeds of cockiness blossom when soiled in ignorance”
STEVE ALTEN, The Loch
“That which inspires arrogance is ignorance, caused by the heart’s blindness.”
SAEED MALIK, A Perspective on the Signs of Al-Quran
Western Arrogance and Decline
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/221187/western-arrogance-and-decline-bruce-thornton
This is the circular logic of a mind clouded by conceptual filters. The absence of belief and believing are not parallels. Non-believing is a natural resting state of the mind. Believing requires a certain framework. The need for the comfort of certainty is strong, but be aware that a belief is a choice.
Neither the parent nor the state owns a child’s mind, however there is a clear distinction between observable, practical knowledge and moral judgments of “right and wrong” when it comes to things like sexuality. The education system is just informing, not influencing or judging.
Like I said, in the mindscape of one who has rejected God, the terms good and evil and right and wrong lose all meaning. They appear in quotation marks, as you have dutifully rendered them above. As G.K. Chesterton noted, the real problem of atheism is not that people stop believing in God, but the things they will believe once they stop believing in God. For instance, believing that this sex-grooming curriculum is a good idea. Parents have the responsibility of raising that child and should have autonomy and the rights of first education, especially in areas of morality. Not the state.
That’s an interesting way to say “I can’t refute your arguments”.
“Deviant women called feminists”!? Really? Feminism is about equality for women ……for men and women to be equal. This concept is only deviant for fucktards like the Taliban and in some Arabic countries where women are not allowed to drive or leave their house withthout a man or vote.
Why don’t you move to one of those places?? It sounds like the “Normal” you’re looking for is better represented by female oppressive regimes. Don’t come here and try to impose your misogynist ideals on our society. How did any woman agree to have children with you? Oh yes, You probably bought her as a child bride to make sure she wasn’t old enough to dare to have an opinion.
That’s how you are raising your daughters? That they are not equal to men?
You’re an idiot. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
You are making numerous baseless assumptions, about the curriculum and the perspectives of others. You are sitting in judgment, as you have been conditioned to do. The accusation you make is more accurately that others may have rejected your version of God or existence. Nobody is talking about atheism or religion in this case. You do not simply believe there is a God, you claim to know the mind and will of your God, based only on the unsubstantiated stories of others. Make no mistake, you have no evidence to back up your claims or beliefs. You are afraid to simply not have an answer to things you can not possibly know about existence. People and organizations told you stories and you made the choice to believe them. Men shape their vision of God based on their own limited perception of existence, creating rules to suit their own petty interests.
You believe the curriculum is “grooming” because the facts presented contradict your moral view. There is nothing in the curriculum that tries to influence behaviour – it simply presents reality. Why is reality so scary? More importantly, your attachment to ego makes you want to shape the beliefs children rather than simply letting them observe the world and make their own choices. This is a form of mental servitude. Anyway, if one does not agree with the information presented, they can still tell their children their own version. No one is standing in the way of parents filling their children’s heads with their own ideas.
Seeing as we have not touched on any specifics, this is a relatively pointless debate.
The assembling of the curriculum was overseen by Ben Levin, a convicted pedophile, child pornographer and incest enthusiast. The curriculum is designed expressly to break down the natural inhibitions that children have toward matters that are beyond their comprehension, in this case regarding sexual matters. This will make more of them exploitable by child sex enthusiasts, who one day will be just another lifestyle represented in the annual summer celebration of debauchery parade.
I am usually open to opposing opinions and thought to my own. But having a minority of people try to impose religious conservative values on our liberal society really annoy me. If Toronto life needs a photo of a happy family consisting of my ex wife current boyfriend and three amazing kids please contact me.
“You obviously show intolerance towards people with actual moral values. ”
I stopped reading right there. Your assertion that you’re the only person in this conversation with moral values is both silly and inflammatory.
Since you’re asking: I happen to share Savannah’s views (I suspect), but I learned none of them from my parents. My mother, frankly, was a bigot, and I don’t miss her views on things at all.
“slaves to mere carnality.”
Is that a direct quote from the cirriculum? Must have missed it.
Probably not the first time you’ve missed something. Do you agree with Tangeli that it’s a good idea to teach physical pleasure in a group setting to children without their parents’ consent?
“This curriculum, designed in large part by a convicted child pornographer and pedophile, Ben Levin”
I’m sorry, but this is nonsense. I’ve had a hand in crafting government policy (in unrelated areas) for years, and this cirriculum was no doubt written by large teams of subject matter experts and reviewed by other teams of subject matter experts. The idea that Ben Levin (who probably didn’t write so much as a single word of the cirriculum) smuggled some inappropriate ‘pro-pedophilia’ concepts past all these experts is delusional paranoia. Sorry, it just is. I know how this kind of stuff gets crafted, and you don’t.
This curriculum, …. is primarily designed to sexualize children. ”
More naive, misinformed, paranoid nonsense. Most kids discover masturbation by age 12 or so, without any help from any sex ed cirriculum. I’d be very surprised if your kids are any different than I was, so nothing’s changed in that department. What has changed is how much background sexuality there is in society now. Unless you’re living in a remote religious commune somewhere and keeping your kids under lock and key until age 18, kids today are unavoidably exposed to more sexualized stuff than they used to be, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable that the sex ed cirriculum keeps up.
“It’s very interesting what you find to be “disgusting”. If you find parents standing up for their right to be the primary guides in the moral education of their children, then your moral compass is perverted.”
It’s not clear what you mean by this. The cirriculum is just the facts (you may find that a couple of them are not as solidly established as you’d like, but you’re free to pull your kids and/or share your own view if you’d like), and I fail to see any moral education in it. If you want to tell your children to wait until marriage or that homosexuality is a sin, that’s fine with me (and even if it weren’t, I certainly couldn’t stop you). If you want to ensure NOBODY’s children learn that homosexuality even exists, then we have a problem. We all have to live in this society together. There are homosexuals. There are people who have sex before marriage. This exists. Your parenting strategy appears to be to deny that any of this stuff exists and hopefully it will all just go away so you don’t have to deal with it or talk about it with your kids at all, and you want the school to be complicit in this. This is foolish and unacceptable.
“What does “vaginal lubrication” and “masturbation” have to do with 11 year old
GIRLS and BOYS?”
Are you seriously asking what does masturbation have to do with 11 year old boys? What planet are you from? Are you now or were you ever a human being yourself? I was an 11 year old boy once, and I can tell you that masturbation was right around the corner at that age and sex ed had nothing to do with it.
Aurora, this is a commendably sane and level-headed response.
Red I think you misread what Aurora was saying.
What is an “LGBTist”? Inquiring minds want to know (well, not really).
I don’t even understand the claim that “a minority are dictating the cirriculum”. I am neither L G B, nor T (so I’m in the majority I suppose), but surely a majority of people agree that LGBT people exist?
“gay people exist, are legally allowed to marry and have families, and are treated the same under the laws of this country?” are “made up facts”? I mean, where does one start with this? How can anyone engage with you? You are just batshit crazy. I presume you are representative of the typical sex-ed opponent, you just don’t bother to hide the crazy.
Nikee, I’m sure my common sense is not as good as yours, but I have worked for the government for years in an unrelated area, so I happen to know (for an absolute fact) that it very unlikely that a minister would read every word of every document that comes out of her department. I would think that your common sense would tell you to tread carefully in commenting on matters that you don’t know anything about, but I guess I’m mistaken.
So the deputy minister of education, a convicted child pornographer, pedophile and incest fan fiction author, had nothing to do with the shaping of this curriculum that took place while he held that office? Hard to believe. And, in fact, disproved by recently released emails in which Levin personally claimed responsibility for shaping the material within. No wonder it ended up being a child sex-grooming manual.
“The very idea of exposing young children to the realities that undeniably occur within sections of our society, without also at the same time telling them that although these things are happening, they go against what God teaches us (in the Bible), shows that these extreme left liberals don’t care about our children and ultimately that they don’t care about their accountability to God.”
There is much to unpack here. Briefly,
1. To suggest that schools should say something like “in our society X happens, but this is against what God teaches in the Bible” just shows that you don’t understand a secular school system at all. Maybe homeschooling is for you.. I don’t see how any school system could possibly make you happy.
2. There are plenty of devout Christians (I know several personally) who have no issue with this cirriculum at all.
3. I do care about the children, which is why I want to ensure they have the information they need to face the world that they live in.
4. I’m an atheist, and you’re very correct that I don’t care in the slightest about my accountability to an entirely fictional entity.
“Nobody is trying to hide sex from their children. They simply want to be the educators of this topic, especially at this extremely young age, AND NOT the public schools.”
What you seem to be saying is that there should be no sex ed in public schools at all. None, zero, zilch. You are aware that sex ed has been around for (at least) decades right? This is kind of the impression I get… the complaints about “topic X is taught at age Y and that’s too early” are red herrings; it’s not that you’d be OK with topic X taught at age Y+2, you don’t want anything taught at all. It does make me wonder why you’re only deciding to protest *now*.
“Lack of consent is important, of course, because otherwise it is rape or molestation. …but the flip side of the implication in the curriculum is that consent makes touching and sex okay. That is a belief, not a fact.”
I found this passage bizarre, firstly because as you admit, the idea that “consent makes sex and touching OK” is merely an implication. Nowhere is this idea explicitly stated in the cirriculum, or more exactly, nowhere in the cirriculum does it say that you *should* give consent in such-and-such a situation. So if even the *implications* of teaching about consent make you uncomfortable, the only alternative is NOT to teach about consent. But you admit that ‘lack of consent is important”. So again, any liberal who is trying to reach a compromise with you doesn’t even know where to start. You should just homeschool your kids.
Darren, with logical reasoning, morality must be based upon an absolute ground structure. The response, although somewhat inflammatory, points out that the person bases a moral structure upon an ever shifting set of self determined societal values (not truly knowing the majority/minority/diversity of values in their society because they base it upon their own close circle of experience). Their idea of morality also appears to stem from what is perceived to be considered “social norm”, The dilemma with this can be seen for example if cannibalism became societal norm, then the person would believe that eating each other would be a perfectly normal and “moral” thing to do in their own eyes.(You’ll have to excuse my twisted wit :-) But missionaries have had to deal with this frequently.) If one believes in God, then there is an absolute moral basis, because there is a higher authority that never changes who sets standards which morality can be built upon. The person that the response regarded was a person who rejected the concept of an all powerful God who sets a moral standard, and who was bashing those who believe in God as being backward and antiquated in their thinking. If a person has no solid, unmovable basis for morality, then they don’t have any solid basis or standard to truly make a moral discernment as to what is “right” or “wrong”. There are people in this discussion who have a solid moral standard to base their opinions upon and have shared them here. There are also those here who wish to base their discernment upon solid scientific facts which support much of the Biblical morality that says that sexual immorality leads to disease and death. There are some here who want to see something based on scientific evidence, but not psychologically damaging to their children. There are some here who want to see parents being enabled to help keep their children safe and protected from a curriculum that has not allowed for them to pass on their family values to their children. There are also those who have voiced opinions here who have based their morality upon personal emotion and feeling instead of true morality, scientific reason, or common sense. We would like to make it known that because there is a large population of people who believe in God, that we are not backward people that should be stepped on and pushed around by a curriculum that does not support our moral standards or sense of family values. I do sincerely hope that you yourself, are a person, if not a believer in God, at least of common sense and sound reason. I hope that my direct manner in approaching this issue isn’t perceived as “inflammatory”. My writing style tends to be very direct, and sometimes “formal” as I’ve been told, and can be taken at times to be harsher than is meant. (My field is technology, not writing).
A LGBTist is an adherent, promoter or useful idiot in the service of LGBTism. LGBTism is a narcissistic movement that turns gender and sexual dysphoria into a novel, totalitarian political ideology at odds with social structures that have transcended place and until recently, time. It is political because it aims to employ the machinery of the state to impose its tenets on everyone else and their children regardless of future implications or the absence of consideration or discussion of what those future implications may be. It is totalitarian because it seeks to control not only the actions but also the thoughts of everyone in both the private and public spheres. LGBTists typically employ psychological blame shifting or projection by calling opponents of LGBTism batshit crazy to stifle dissent but this may morph into outright persecution as the ideology becomes further entrenched.
You are, in fact, not free to pull your kids from the teaching of this curriculum, though that is a lie that Wynne and people like you seem comfortable spreading, I suppose because lying comes naturally to some people. The curriculum is not “just the facts”, though it’s interesting that you acknowledge that it contains ‘facts’ not based on reality. The curriculum is, in fact, a calculated program of sexualizing underage children so they can be exploited by perverts. Don’t you worry your head about my parenting strategy, though I can assure you it’s a lot more nuanced than your “just give up and let the state do what it wants” submission stance. Just know that I will continue to assert my right as primary care giver and moral guardian of my children, because the state has no place in the bedrooms of the children of the nation, to paraphrase a great hero to liberals (except where the imposition of martial law is concerned). Do you find me unacceptable? Good. That’s because you’re a ruderless conformist statist butt-suck.
How much of your day is spent thinking about children masturbating. Be honest.
So what was Ben Levin doing as Deputy Minister of Education? Besides surfing child porn, I mean. His own emails say he was in charge of shaping this curriculum, and I’m not going to doubt him there.