Michael Bryant’s pit bull ban fails to totally eliminate dog-on-human violence: THS report
In 2005, after a few headline-grabbing incidents of pit bulls mauling small children, the Ontario government moved to ban any new pit bulls in the province. (Being anti-child-mauling is an easy call for a politician.) It’s now five years on—is the ban working? Predictably, the Toronto Humane Society (THS) says no.
Reports the Toronto Star:
There were 5,714 incidents in 2004, the year before the Liberal government rolled out breed-specific legislation to ban the sale and importation of pit bulls. Owners were required to get their pit bulls spayed or neutered, and must muzzle and leash them in public.
Despite the law, the Humane Society found the number of dog bites dropped slightly to between 5,350 and 5,500 in the last four years.
“It is clear that the new law has not worked. It has not reduced the number of dog bites and increased public safety. All it does is punish one breed of dog,” said society spokesman Ian McConachie.
That law was pushed through by Michael Bryant, the former attorney general who now faces serious charges related to the death of a cyclist. The law was opposed by, among others, the THS, which has spent the last year battling charges of animal cruelty. If it was possible for Bryant’s reputation to be even more tarnished, this might do it. (Though the Globe points out these numbers are hardly iron-clad.) Of course, THS isn’t a neutral party in this, seeing as they just recently had to put down Bandit, the dog whose attack on a child started all this.
In an argument between a disgraced AG and a scandal-plagued animal shelter, is there a way they could both lose? We can’t think of one, but we’re confident they’ll both find a way.
• Pit-bull ban hasn’t reduced bites: THS [Globe and Mail]
• Humane society says new law doesn’t nip dog bites [CBC]
• Pit bull ban hasn’t cut dog bites [Toronto Star]
32 thoughts on “Michael Bryant’s pit bull ban fails to totally eliminate dog-on-human violence: THS report”
The pitbull ban is stupid but not nearly as stupid as Ian McConachie. He wouldn’t know what a pitbull was if he had one hanging off his face.
Listening to THS which has already shown itself to be a bunch of liars and not researching to see the severity of these bites compared to those of pit bulls, is a fool’s folly. Seems like THS may have received a “donation” that is fueling this ridiculous stance. Check out what is happening in the US with pit bulls and how they are mauling and killing record numbers, see if this is how Toronto wants to be. http://www.pitattacksbystate.blogspot.com
When the Ontario bill was passed, testimony was heard from a variety of different experts in the field of animal welfare who have experience with dogs – trainers, veterinarians, shelters, etc. With only 2 exceptions, they all agreed at the time that the breed ban would not work.
In the United States, every single national organization of professionals in working with canines — including our national animal control association – is opposed to breed bans.
The reason is simple. Every time it has been tried, it has failed to increase public safety — and only lead to innocent family pets being taken from people’s homes — and problems with deterimining breed type becomes a costly expense for cities and taxpayers (look no further than the recent struggles in Brampton).
If a society wants to improve public safety, they will focus all of their efforts on targeting the small minority of irresponsible dog owners who are causing problems. There is no other way that has shown itself to be successful.
Nopits. That’s a unique interpretation you have of the word liar there. Michael Bryant was the one after all who ignored advice from veterinarians and other people familiar with animal behaviour while claiming to be taking the advice of experts and telling tall stories neighbourhood children being chased by 150 pound Pit Bulls. Can your biased sites with all their skewed statistics explain why they are “killing in record numbers” now and not 40 years or 80 years ago? Nope. And why is it legitimate places of research never come up with the sort of hogwash statistics found only on anti-Pit Bull sites?
BSL has and always will fail to protect the public; it only serves to endanger us all by putting a band aid solution. We need to adopt Calgary’s model (who is is the most effective) and go after the real issue at the end of the leash; irresponsible dog, abusive dog trainers and bad breeders.
I’ve looked at the list of “experts” who opposed the ban. I would hardly expect support from 15 Staffordshire Terrier, AmStaff, and AmPitBull clubs. I would hardly expect support from the breeder lobbies. I find it sad but unsurprising that there is no support from the veterinary associations and humane organizations, but I suppose everyone knows which side their bread is buttered on.
And I think that a few experts who testified in support of the ban were left off the list: notably, Tom Skeldon, Lucas County Dog Warden (who had worked with and seen the excellent results from the pit bull-specific legislation in his county) and Alan Beck, behaviourist and Director of the Centre for the Human-Animal Bond at Purdue Veterinary School.
Ah, I see the pro-ban loons are out. To bring Shannon up to date, dog killer Tom Skeldon stepped down on Jan 1/2010, Toledo’s breed-specific legislation has been ruled unconstitutional and Toledo has stopped enforcing its ban. I suggest that Shannon research the bounty paid to Lucas County dog wardens for dead dogs to understand why there may have been such a fervour to ban and kill.
There is no such thing as a “pit bull”. Even an Ontario government lawyer stated that in court. That is a slang name for a dog of a certain shape. The four pure breeds usually named in breed-specific legislation (“BSL”) are so rare, I doubt that many have met one. Any “substantially similar” description of a “pit bull” encompasses many pure breeds of dogs other than those named in the Ontario BSL and countless crossbreed and mixed breed dogs. If taken literally, all Labrador retriever owners, all Boxer owners, all Rhodesian Ridgeback owners and the owners of numerous other pure breeds should be compelled to comply with BSL.
The Ontario Liberals’ breed-specific legislation (“BSL”) is a badly written, hastily cobbled together piece of legislation dropped on the public at a time when the Liberals’ public approval rating was very low. The Liberals’ BSL is unfounded, unjust, inhumane, vague, shoddy, proven ineffective and proven fiscally irresponsible. It was promoted by the former Attorney General Michael Bryant who, despite his bombast and hyperbole, was unable to pick a “pit bull” from a series of pictures.
The Ontario Liberals ignored the dog experts who told them that BSL was ineffective and fiscally irresponsible. The Liberals refused to institute a centralized dog bite registry; do you wonder why?
BSL has been proven ineffective and fiscally irresponsible. BSL has been repealed in many jurisdictions, most recently and notably the Netherlands. The City of Toledo, formerly a death camp for dogs of a politically incorrect shape, has ceased to enforce its BSL. There are many other jurisdictions that have repealed their BSL because of the facts. The U.K., despite ten years of BSL and killing thousands of dogs, has a skyrocketing dog bite rate; dog attacks in Wales have gone up 60% under the U.K.’s BSL. Scotland has passed a bill which aims to “influence the behaviour of the dog owner in order to improve the behaviour of the dog”.
A U.S. county estimated in 2003 that it cost $63,000 to seize and kill one dog. With exchange and inflation, I would estimate that figure to now be $80,000. That is before protests to city hall, going to court and additional expenses. Is it good use of hard-earned taxpayers’ dollars to spend that money seizing and killing one unoffending dog?
A dog’s shape does not predetermine or predict its behaviour. Another fact is that the owner is always responsible for his/her dog’s behaviour. It is the human element that determines a dog’s behaviour, not the dog’s shape.
Unoffending dogs have been seized from their owners’ homes, the most recent cases exposed to the light of day being those in the City of Brampton. These dogs had done nothing wrong but be a politically incorrect shape.
In summary: Breed specific legislation is unfounded, unjust, inhumane, vague, shoddy, proven ineffective and proven fiscally irresponsible. It legislates law-abiding people into second-class citizenship solely on the shape of the property they own – their dogs. It kills dogs solely because of their shape. It does nothing to reduce dog bites and attacks by dogs of other breeds and types.
In short: BSL is BS-L.
I will also point out that breed-specific legislation is one tool in the animal “rights” extremists’ toolkit in an ongoing effort to eradicate domestic animals and eliminate one’s right to own a pet of any kind.
So-called animal “rights” groups usually believe that an animal’s only right is to die at the end of a needle.
I love NoPits’ and Shannon’s uninformed and slightly whacky comments. Ooh, maiming and killing in record numbers…what a truckload of rhetoric without a single scrap of truth or fact to back it up.
Must be the crowd of U.S. crazy people, the ones who missed their rabies shots, on the loose again. Geez, don’t let ’em run with scissors.
I’ve always believed that “duh, kill da pit bullz” is redirected racism; these people have hate burning deep in their twisted souls but can’t speak against people of colour, so they vent their sick hatred on beings without a voice, animals.
I’m already up to date, thanks. Skeldon resigned because of a smear campaign by a politician and a newspaper. Toledo will now begin to pay the price of not standing up for the man.
No such thing as a pit bull? Funny how your side can always identify one on free-spay-and-neuter-for-pit-bulls-day. @@ DOLA defines pit bull and the definition has stood through 3 court challenges – I think it’s adequate.
Perhaps I should bring *you* up to date – the Netherlands has re-tabled breed specific legislation and it is currently making its way through legislation there. They have had so many incidents with pit bulls since the repeal that they want it reinstated.
All that said, I think that government money would be better spent regulating containment, licensing and insurance for breeds, like pit bulls, deemed high-risk. Just having to pay the premiums to carry $500,000 liability for your dog would keep pits out of the hands of the underbelly of society. And if they weren’t in those hands there’d be precious few out there to cause problems.
I just re-read your post. Did you really claim that breeding has nothing to do with behaviour? Seriously? Are you mildly retarded?
Have you never seen a 6 month-old border collie spontaneously herd? How do you explain the way a 10-week old retriever fetches everything in sight? Ever watched a pointer, without ever being exposed to one of its own kind and with no training whatever, drop into a point as a duck flies up? Have you spent ANY time around dogs?
Behaviour is hereditary. This isn’t hard to understand. If it wasn’t no one would breed dogs. Dog-dog aggression is also hereditary – that’s why Ch. Chinaman’s line still does so well in dogfighting, which is still rampant all over the US and Canada, don’t kid yourself. Pits were bred for and retain intra-dog aggression. Some lines sport severe human aggression as well (ie Chinaman’s). Most of the time, humans get hurt trying to step between their dog (or cat, horse, goat, pot-belly pig, etc) and the attacking pit bull. Dog aggression is genetic, its real, and it isn’t okay.
You want stats, this site has all the stats you could ever possibly want about the epidemic of pit fatalities and maulings. http://www.DogsBite.org And calling a compilation of media reports (www.pitattacksbystate.blogspot.com), their links and the stories, biased is ridiculous. Believe it or not, there has never been a worldwide media conspiracy to “get the pits”. Funny how when it comes to legislation there is no such thing as a pit bull but when it comes to getting free spay/neuter or breeding, there is definitely a breed called the “pit bull”. Just google and see all the hits for pit bull yet you try to convince the public there is no such thing. The only two sources that track by breed, DogsBite and Animal People News, both agree that pits have been killing people in the U.S. at the rate of one person every 22 days for the past four years. Pits are killing people at a higher rate than that since the beginning of 2010.
You want credible people who are for bans, then that info is also on DogsBite, the site pit nutters don’t want you to see. Don’t let the next news headline describe how you failed to do your duty to stay informed about these dangerous dogs.
And Toledo Ohio had three serious pit bull attacks in three days a week ago. Miss Skeldon yet, Toledo? The State of Ohio has declared pits vicious. The Courts in several states have done the same. Either the pit nutters wake up and own what pits are doing, or they will suffer from bans on pits, it’s all their doing. Pit lovers put pits in the shelters, pit lovers breed dangerous pits, not the pit “haters”.
There is two cities in Montana that due to banning them has totally eliminated pit bull attacks. The reason is that there are no pit bulls in the cities anymore. It will take time to reduce the number of pit bull, the results are not going to be overnight unless they are completely removed.
2010 USA DOG-RELATED FATALITIES
1. April 14, 2010——-AGE: 7 Days-PIT BULL.
2. March 08, 2010 —-AGE: 9 Months-Rottweiler (2).
3. March 04, 2010—–AGE: 65-PIT BULL.
4. February 28, 2010–AGE: 4-Rottweiler.
5. February 18, 2010–AGE: 10 Days-PIT BULL (attacked at 5 days old).
6. February 20, 2010–AGE: 3-American Bulldog.
7. February 20, 2010–AGE: 38-PIT BULLS (6).
8. February 18, 2010–AGE: 11 Days-Siberian Husky.
9. February 12, 2010–AGE: 5-PIT BULL.
10. February 07, 2010-AGE: 63-Rottweiler mix.
11. January 17, 2010–AGE: 56-PIT BULLS (4-6).
12. January 09, 2010–AGE: 3-PIT BULL.
Ban the Breed Because of its Deeds!
When I read some of these posts I thank G-D that us Humans are so perfect,we do not Murder,Rape,Hi-jack and do not encourage Drug-Dealing or Paediaphilia.Also I do beleive that BSL is nothing more than Cold-Blooded Murder.
This law belonged to Adolph Hitler and is now being practised by Failing Politicos in exactly the same way as he did.Aiming the campaign at the “Stupid Masses”with the help of unscrupulous media who create the hype.The only difference is in Hitler’s time the Victims were 2 legged now the Victims are 4 legged.
The bottom line people to the caliber of Skeldon,Bryant and Mçguinty are Evil and will do anything to retain power,fortunately Bryant(the cyclist murderer) and Skeldon(the Dog Murderer) have been removed from positions of power.
Now it is important that the Decent Human Beings remove Mçguinty and his Lying Liberals,Vote them out.
“All that is needed for Evil to Succeed is Decent Human Beings Do Nothing”-Edwin Burke
Since when have American statistics had anything to do with Canada? There are less than 1000 purebred dogs regulated under DOLA in Ontario. Our ex AG has killed the same amount of people in Ontario as one of these purebreds have….ONE. The rest, which are covered under the substantially similar clause, are unknown/mixed breeds.
DogsBite, pitattacksbystate and Clifton combined have less experience in breed identification than the papers they pull their stats from. It’s not a “Pit Bull” just because they say it is. Skeldon got paid, per dog, to kill. Of course he’d support the wholesale slaughter of any substantially similar animal.
People with an agenda like those cited above can NOT be trusted to speak the truth. Do your part. Investigate yourself using proper info from Canada.
@ Shannon: You give the nebulous relationship between behavior and genetics far, far more credit than it deserves. Aggression in the sense of an unprovoked attack is not genetic.
“The experiments with mice show us that aggression has to be learned. Defensive fighting can be stimulated by the pain of an attack, but aggression, in the strict sense of an unprovoked attack, can only be produced by training… Heredity can enter into the picture only in such ways as lowering or raising the threshold of stimulation, or modifying the physical equipment for fighting… In considering hereditary effects, we must always remember that the environmental situation is also important…” – John Paul Scott, Aggression
Behavior is an incredibly difficult quality to cultivate with genetics. Last year Guide Dogs for the Blind had almost as many dogs flunk out of their program as they had graduate, and that’s with a 70 year old breeding program with dogs being trained since birth. Anecdotal stories of purebred dogs conforming to their breed standard don’t justify the killing of thousands of family pets. For every dog in that litter that did conform to their breed standard, there was another that didn’t. Dogs are INDIVIDUALS first, their breed second. Not to mention the fact that most dog breeders, much less most pit bull breeders (since they are a fad breed at the moment) don’t know the first thing about genetics. You have to have a clue what you’re doing and be line breeding with a specific goal in mind to have even the slightest impact on having consistent behavioral traits in a line of dogs: and most pit bull backyard breeders are just breeding whatever they can get their hands on to make money.
Michael Bryant’s should be banned this hypocrite tells society that an animal is dangerous and here he is causing danger. It is important this BSL gets removed this is The Land of the Free. Toughen the laws against dog fighting, bad breeders and bad owners and see how things will change.
Most importantly the dogs are not at fault excercise them, give them discipline and affection and amazing what can be done.
We owe to them they would stick up for us.
Jot, you write “Behavior is an incredibly difficult quality to cultivate with genetics”. Yes, let us grant that. What it means, then, is that those who claim to “cull out” pit bulls that will attack humans from those who will only attack other dogs is a bogus claim. They may try this, by putting down dogs that attack them, but there is no real reason to believe this actually has worked. Yet many pit bull advocates repeat this story as if it means something.
Second, people have to realize that we are not worried about dogs that do not conform to breed standards. We of course are worried about dogs that *do* conform to breed standards. It is a statistical thing in the end: if some pit bulls do not conform to breed standards and don’t maul people and dogs, then, that’s great. But what about those (many) who do? These collected “anecdotes” *do* justify, not the killing of family pets, but the legitimate attempt to wipe out the pit bull breeds by less drastic means, by not allowing them to be bred.
I love how you say its hard to get “consistent behavior” by breeding. No sane person who wants to eliminate pit bulls is complaining that they *consistently* attach and maul people and other dogs. The point is that enough of them do, because of their breeding and genetics. Who cares if it is not “consistent”, whatever that means? (Perhaps, that every pit bull to earn its breed must attach and seriously harm some other living being!?)
“Michael Bryant’s pit bull ban fails to totally eliminate dog-on-human violence”. Wow! And the laws against murder have failed to totally eliminate murder! By all means lets do away with them!
i cant believe some bsl in america they go round shooting each other watching the next man die because he aint got no medical insurance and they want to ban something that is a lot less dangerous than guns. licence the owners and have specific guidelines to be allowed that licence the way i see it the rise in attacks has coincided with the rise in numbers and the type of people that are keeping these dogs. they are attacking people because people are training them to be be protection dogs and making them aggressive towards people if you dont believe me about what kind of people are keeping them look in shelters and see how many are their and the abuse they have sufferde then you will see that the dregs of humanity are keeping them and %99.9 of these abused dogs are safer than %99.9 of all other breeds with humans. pitbull lover and owner of a dog thats shape looks like a pitbull so have to be wary as i live in uk but my dog lives in the house with 3 cats and wouldnt harm a nat
all dogs can bite..even the one you own ,even though its well trained and has never bit someone yet doesnt mean they wont….and even though they are domesticated ,they are still wild animals at heart (if they smell fear and see someone acting like prey ,instinct will kick in and they might attack)
these big dogs should be treated like guns (you should need a special license to own one)
and if your dog attacks someone you should be held responsible (if your dog kills someone you should be charged with at least manslaughter or murder 2 if you witnessed it but were unable to stop it)
on top of that if you take your dog for a walk without a mussel you should be charged and the dog taken from you
After reading your comments and stats and figures one thing stands out in my mind. You have no idea what your talking about. You want to ban a breed because of what people have done to the breed. If you give a person a gun, and tell them each and every minute to kill, then one day he kills. The outcome is the same as teaching your dog to fight, and one day it fights. WOW, what a concept. You train someone to do something and they do it. Police are trained every day to fight the wicked people of society and every so often a innocent person gets hurt. Lets ban police officers too. I got bit by a cat yesterday, i wanna ban all the orange and white cats cause i think they are all aaggresive and will attack without warning. Maybe all you dog haters and animal activists should get a life. I wanna ban all you dog haters and animal activists. Let’s start a lobby and have you people captured and put down. Have your rights stripped down and forced into isolation. Have your loved ones worried about you going out in public, or coming home. Make you wear a muzzle cause you might attack without warning. Make you feel ashamed of who you are and where you come from. I think dog fighting and owners who own large breed dogs and don’t know what they are doing should be punished. Leave the animals with no voice out of this. And punish yourselves for killing innocent pets, who would have and did die for your stupid cause. I AM A PITBULL OWNER AND BOXER OWNER AND HAVE A ORANGE CAT, AND I AM NOT AFRAID OF MY DOG! PUNISH THE DEED AND NOT THE BREED.
A lot of good points made here. I am bias ofcourse as a lover of all dogs especially pitbulls. However I think the best point was made by “Nopits” when he focused in on the the unfair logic between “pitbulls” (the title)not existing. So pitbulls don’t exist when it comes time to kill them? Really … do we actually have to refer to them as pitbulls when we are trying to help limit the numbers humanely by doing something like offering free neutering or spaying for these breeds who are being categorized as poorly shaped dogs that therefore need to die.
Why don’t we then just call them “unfortunately shaped dogs”.
You’re right “Nopits”. It isn’t the pitbull lovers and the breeders helping here. They have no real power to help. Some of those lovers and breeders are total nutjobs anyway. Some are actually bad people. No, instead it is some of the dumbest, and meanest people in the world helping. The ones filled with “HATE”. What are they helping with again? Oh yeah that’s right. They are helping commit genecide on their equally cruel anscestors past creations(yes humans did in deed create these little “unfortunately shaped” dogs).
I guess this world really hasn’t comet too far in it’s behaviours in the past 100 or more years. Who is to blame? Aren’t we the humans most likely to be held responsible? I mean I’m all for getting away with bad things I’ve done and hoping it doesn’t come back to get me, but there is a truth one can not really deny and that is we owe it to ourselves to look at what the problem(s) really are here and then take the proper course of action. Those who believe it is to kill every pitbull, rottweiler, mastiff, and all of our four legged friends that bite obviously hate not just one dog but all dogs. Perhaps the problem is precisely with them and they are the folk who ought to be dealt with properly. Or not …
Oh and some dogs are bad, but it is a form of racism to put it on any particular breed(s). I guess some of us humans really like our racism though. Lmao.
I agree with the ban. I have not met a pitbull that was nice. They are not to be trusted! This should have been put in place long ago!
Then you have lived a sheltered life & probably in not a very good neighbourhood. I would introduce you to my dog & about 30 other Pits we hang with who are all friendly & well behaved pets, but I wouldn’t trust you, a proclaimed hater, around innocent animals. Your ignarance & predudice, and that of others like you, is the danger in my view. In the entire decade I have owned my dog every member of my family, my friends, neighbours & their dogs of all breeds have gone unscaved. I myself endured more injury from the family cat back in my youth. So far I remain fully in tact. And every Pitty owner that who I know is in the same boat so I believe you are hanging with the wrong crowd. Unfortunately there are low lives who have chosen the Pitbull because of their muscularity & athletisism to be personal protection dogs …..they are the ones who are not nice & not to be trusted. Punish those humans, not an innocent animal that is given no choice but to rely on its owner for direction.
I think you proved your intelligence when you referred to a human being as “retarded”, for their opinion.
A true sign of intellectual aptitude on your part.
I feel sorry for the amount of hate and anger you carry in your heart. Here is the fact, we created this breed, be it good or bad. We bread in characteristics and likewise have the power to “breed out” characteristics as well.
This era of no one is responsible for their actions has gone too far. We cannot create something, be displeased then just kill it off.
There are hundreds of “pitbulls” in my community and we have a low dog bite incidence rate. Why ? Because the owners of these “pitbulls” are mostly families who are training, exercising and taking care of their pets. We have adequate off leash dog parks and a community that encourages proper treatment of dogs.
If all “pitbulls” were inherently and genetically dangerous then my community would feel the effect. In fact if the breed were the sole reason for bites the rates of “pitbull” attacks should be represented in all communities at the same rate.
Funny how that works.
Many breeds are known not so much for their shape but for their behaviour.
The word “Terrier” reflects a dogs predisposition to go after ground hogs and gophers. “Go to Ground” becomes Terrier. A very useful trait for ranchers.
And I use the word “predisposition” because even within any group there are varying degrees of proficiency amongst individuals.
To that end, Jack Russell Terriers are considered proficient as “terriers” but not so good at patrolling a rancher’s range.
It is unfortunate when small children that crawl in much the same manner as gophers walk are with any Terrier.
And I stress “any” terrier.
Further, if we were to ban all dogs that bite, chiuauas and cocker spaniels would be the first to go. Just wait till someone gets HIV from a dog bite: say good-bye to all your little nipper pets. They would be banned faster than…..
The solution: hold ALL pet owners, not just dogs, accountable for their pets’ actions. The pet should be classified as an extension of the self: if the pet kills, it should be considered as a weapon used by the owner; any species, any breed.
I agree with My2Cents about holding pet owners responsible for their pet’s actions. It is far too easy for people to adopt a dog and not take proper care of them. I don’t mean just providing shelter, food and water. I mean providing *themselves* and their dogs with proper training. You have to train your dog. Provide daily exercise for your dog. You have to be able to afford to spay or neuter your dog before you decide to get one. Pet owners need to accept more responsibility for their dogs. Pet owners should be screened to make sure they can provide all of the above before they are allowed to own a dog. Those selling dogs should also be held accountable for screening the people who want to purchase their dogs. Don’t sell the dog to make a buck. Make sure they are going to a responsible home. A home where the dog won’t be taught to fight. A home where the dog will be taught and introduced properly to the new baby coming home.
We have to stop blaming the breeds or mixed breeds and start taking responsibility for our own actions. It is human error that causes the problems. Not the breed.
Now Micheal Bryant is the murderer and is a dangerous animal within society who should be seized, sterilized, shaved and destroyed! Or maybe they should use him for medical research just like all the dogs he helped to torture.
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Ah Shannon I see that YOU are promoting the dogsbite group in fact you are a BSL Lobbyist. You are also an AMERICAN. Tom Skelton was SMEARED? ROFL. How many petitions were out on him? I also noticed that the Organization YOU are promoting voted this DOG KILLER as “Dog Warden of the Year” JUST before he was FORCED to retire in spite of ALL his families contacts in the community. YOU people really are “something else”. Go spread your hatred, false stats and fear mongrelling elsewhere.
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