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Secrets to a Happy Toronto Winter: #5. Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad

Secrets to a Happy Toronto Winter: #5. Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad

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Secrets to a Happy Toronto Winter: #5. Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad
(Image: Thomas van der Zaag)

After decades of guilt-induced abstinence, we’re reintroducing furs to our winter wardrobes, this time with an ethical pedigree. The plushest pelts come from Toronto designer Farley Chatto, who sources his furs from Origin Assured, an organization that guarantees its stock comes from a country where the trapping is regulated and the animals are treated humanely. Chatto’s fall 2014 runway show was a parade of luxurious furs that felt straight out of Doctor Zhivago: ­red fox coats, mink stoles and coyote hats. His designs, which run up to $200,000 for a Barguzin sable coat, have enticed celebs like Sarah ­Jessica Parker, Elton John, Richard Branson and Drake (who commissioned a silver fox and ­chinchilla coat trimmed with Russian broadtail for his 27th birthday). 331 Adelaide St. W., ­416-831-9941.

Topics: Farley Chatto Fur Secrets to a Happy Toronto Winter Toronto Life Magazine January 2015

244 thoughts on “Secrets to a Happy Toronto Winter: #5. Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad”

  1. “Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad” – Seriously, Ms. Landau, how naive are you?

    Origin Assured was set up by the fur industry itself, is mainly a PR ploy, and has all the credibility of any industry-generated monitoring system (i.e. none). It was described in the New York Times as “a label designed to assure customers their fur was made from animals treated as well as possible under existing standards”. Hardly reassuring. Basically it’s the fur industry saying that they might try to do what they can, as long as they aren’t required to change any of their existing practices. Check out these photos of an Origin Assured facility in Denmark: https://www.flickr.com/photos/forbydminkavl/page2/. Wild animals stuck in small, barren wire cages where their lives are bleak, cramped and short
    and full of stress. But, oh what pretty hats Mr. Chatto makes with these animal remains!

    It’s a free country, and people can have animals killed for fashion if they so choose. But don’t delude yourself. There is nothing humane about it. Stop being a cheap shill, Toronto Life.

  2. No. Feel bad. Feel really really bad, only if people know the reality of fur. This is bad journalism here. Even just scratching the surface of truth would reveal tremendous cruelty of fur. Trapped animals are known to chew off their trapped leg, so that they can get back to their starving babies in the den. Ex-trappers said they trap way too many cats, and an occasional dog. They just threw them in the garbage.

    Wild animals are not bred to live in tiny cages all their lives. They all gone insane, continuously turn around and around in their tiny cage, often having bloody legs, untreated and infected all the time. The only time they get out of the cage is to be electrocuted in their anus (if they are lucky). But most are simply skinned alive.

  3. A natural product that lasts for decades and is completely biodegradable.

    That is so much better than those disposable, oil based, fake furs. They get worn, then tossed into a landfill, lasting millennia. Not to mention the habitat that’s being destroyed to get this oil in the first place or the toxic by-products from the manufacturing.

  4. Fur doesn;t have to make you feel bad huh….. I find people who aren’t living their lives in denial aremuch happier people.

    Here’s where fur comes from:

    An undercover video from fox and mink fuir farms:
    http://tinyurl.com/mdwnb6r

    Vido of a trapping fur bearing animals in Canada:
    http://tinyurl.com/l93jt63

    All over the world fur farming is being banned. Including England, Wales, Scotland,and Northern Ireland in 2000-2001.

    (Countries with Fur Farming bans – http://tinyurl.com/lf4xc7v )

    And just in the last two months, new bans in The State of Sao Paulo, Brazil ( http://tinyurl.com/og7z4ot ),
    and the State of Walloon, Belgium ( http://tinyurl.com/o4g93ek )

    Fur ‘farming’ cannot be done humanely. Animals like fox, and mink are
    wild animals. Efforts to breed the ‘wild’ out of them, result in less
    valuable fur. They suffer immeasurably in the tiny cages. Just as a dog
    or cat would. Just as you or I would. They spend their entire lives, in
    these cages, with no stimulation other than a food and water dish. In
    their natural habitat, mink spend 60% of their time in water, and are
    solitary creatures. In the side by side cages, they are forced to abide
    by the presence of other mink, under constant stress.

  5. The Association For the Protection of Fur-Bearing Animals – has a
    campaign underway right now, with Lush Cosmetics – its goal is showing
    people inside fur farms.

    On this website, is shown recent pictures, and video from fur farms in Canada. There’s nothing ‘humane’ to be seen here:

    http://makefurhistory.com/

    There’s new Dog-tethering laws in NS. Put one dog on a chain for too long,
    (longer than 12 hours with the new law) and you will be fined, your
    animal could be taken from you. Put thousands and thousands of animals
    in tiny wire-mesh cages, call them ‘agricultural animals’, and you get
    government loans to help you. Bt the very same provincial dept that
    oversees the NS SPCA, and made the new dog tehering law.

    If the metric is the suffering of the animals, to be consistant,
    from any truly objective viewpoint, fur farms must be banned.

    The suffering of the mink in the cages, is constant, prolonged,
    life-long sterss. Unabated. Continuous stress. No stimulation of any
    kind, for these intelligent, thinking feeling animals. There is no place
    for this in a culture of animal lovers – yes most people are proud to
    call themselves that – yet most people are entirely inconsistant in
    actually demonstrating it. A case in point is this horrendously cruel
    ‘industry’.

  7. New piece out today:
    Gabriel Wildgen, Campaign Manager with Humane Society International/Canada
    Canada’s Government Needs To Stop Providing Subsidies for Fur 01/09/2015 http://tinyurl.com/qal3gfb

    From the article:

    ‘ One does not have to be an expert in animal welfare nor economics to
    recognize that it is bad policy to use public funds to pay for an
    industry that relies on cruelty to animals on a massive scale, only to
    create a product that nobody needs, and fewer people than ever want. The
    markets and the public have already said “no” to fur. It’s time for the
    government to match pace and move towards an end to fur farming in
    Canada — starting with an end to subsidies. ‘

  9. Those pictures are horrendous. Imagen spending youe entire life confined in a space the size of a closet. Humans are sick creatures.

  10. One last post.

    Here’s a new petition now out, Please sign, and share !
    There’s a chance we could stop this new mink farm.

    It’s to voice suipport to not allow a newmink farm from being built in Placentia Junction, Newfoundland.

    No mink farm in Placentia Junction!
    http://tinyurl.com/qeqbum5

    News Stories here:

    Petition raising a stink about mink

    December 29, 2014
    http://tinyurl.com/q7enspb

    Placentia Junction no place for mink farm, says cabin owner

    CBC News Dec 29, 2014
    http://tinyurl.com/ltpncss

  11. Actually there is a study out putting the lie to this myth the fur industry likes to put out, that fur is somehow ‘greener than synthetic fabric. Lawsuits have been won in Europe by people motivated to sue by this blatant untruth.

    The CE Delft Study, published in 2011:

    Natural mink fur and faux fur products, an environmental comparisonhttp://tinyurl.com/o87hgwz.

    ‘ From the study it emerges that for all the
    environmental impacts investigated the natural fur product has a greater
    impact than the faux fur alternative. The environmental impact of
    natural fur products is at least a factor 3 higher than the least
    favourable faux fur variant. For some environmental impacts the impact
    is more than 10 times greater. ‘

  12. This ship has sailed. Enlightened generations find fur coats and the fur industry morally repugnant. The luxury good industry should find more life giving ways of creating beauty in the world as opposed to the old paradigm of coveting the parts of other beings.

  13. If you are going to post something, please check your facts. That study has been completely discredited for being biased.

    Just another example of the anti-animal use zealots relying on misinformation and 1/2 truths.

    My point stands.

  14. TOXIC FUR:
    The Impacts of Fur Production on theEnvironment and the Risks to Human Health Published January 29, 2009

    http://tinyurl.com/ltwrvxq

    Conclusion: Animal fur is not “green.”

    Abiding by the Fur Council of Canada’s own criteria for what it means to be an environmentally friendly product, it becomes clear that because fur production is intensely polluting, energy-consumptive and an otherwise unnatural process, fur cannot be considered an environmentally friendly product. In addition, as the processing of fur employs a host of toxic and carcinogenic chemicals, a more apt conclusion is that common production processes for fur garments and accessories put human health and our environment at risk.While this paper has looked at an important aspect of the fur industry, it must not obscure the well-documented animal welfare problems and outright barbarism associated with the killing of over 75 million animals each year for an unnecessary product.Ultimately, the fur industry’s harm to our water, air, ecosystems and all of the species in them—trapped and cage-raised animals as well as human beings—should inform one’s decision about whether to buy or sell fur. When you buy your next coat, remember that there are many alternative fabrics that will allow you to avoid supporting the cruel and environmentally destructive fur industry. ‘

  15. And ‘humane societies’ euthanize millions of animals a year.

    Now about oil based fake fur products – do a little research (or just cut/paste as you have been doing) You’ll quickly find that man-made clothing is many times more detrimental to ecosystems than any type of farming.

  16. Bravo Toronto Life for profiling a Canadian designer who sources their materials from sustainable resources. I’m guessing most of the people commenting on this post are freezing in their fleece jackets made from petro chemical materials and constructed in factories with questionable working conditions.

  18. I think you are the dim one, not understanding the definition of sustainable.

    sus·tain·able

    adjective sə-ˈstā-nə-bəl

    : able to be used without being completely used up or destroyed

    : involving methods that do not completely use up or destroy natural resources

    : able to last or continue for a long time

  19. It’s a product that causes unimaginable suffering. Calling it “natural” and muddying the waters with complaints about the oil industry doesn’t change the fact that Origin Assured is a lie and there is a lot about Chatto’s products to make one feel bad. You’re right that there are no easy answers, but candy-coating Origin Assured is just delusional.

  20. Quoting from the dictionary. The last refuge of those who have nothing worthwhile to say.

    Origin Assured products result in unimaginable suffering. To say that they do not destroy natural resources is simply mind-blowingly stupid. While there arguably are/could be sustainable fur industries (which anyone who is not a vegan would have to admit), saying broadly that all fur = sustainable, without referencing whatsoever the incredibly cruelty that it involves, and actually saying “bravo” to this puff piece on industry smokescreens means that you are either profoundly dim-witted, or have no empathy whatsover (or both). If you want to be an uninformed twit would applauds Origin Assured, be my guest, but forgive the rest of us if we rightfully call you on it.

  21. I do not agree with #5 at all. Fur belongs on animals, period. Anyone who wears it supports a barbaric industry. End of story.

  22. There is nothing ethical about fur. The only ethical fur is faux fur. How many lives does it take to make one sable coat? How many animals are anally electrocuted so you can look like a puff ball gone wrong? It’s morally wrong–there’s no justification for it.

  23. The “Origin Assured” label is a sham and a desperate attempt to make consumers feel less guilty about buying an inherently cruel product. The only truly cruelty-free furs are faux furs!

  25. I thought Toronto life was modern and forward thinking until I saw this…Emily Landau your word choice is gross and inconsiderate. Fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad? #Ijustcantlookatyouinthatfur this article is gross #callingsomeoneoutforbadbehaviour

  26. Origin assured means they can determine the origin of every skin that’s used, where/how it was harvested and by whom.

    Can you say the same about even one of the leather item (be it real or fake) you might own?

  27. “Unimaginable suffering.” Please elaborate. I’ve been to origin assured farms and I’ve witnesses first hand how well the animals are treated. What you imbeciles refuse to admit, or choose to ignore, is that it would not ever make sense for a farmer to treat their animals poorly. The first sign of a malnourished or ill treated animal is an unhealthy pelt. Fur farmers make their money by selling beautiful pelts, and to get them their animals need to be well taken care of and stress free. So, tell me more about this unimaginable suffering (without linking any animal rights activists’ fraudulent videos.)

  28. Ah, I see you’re a corporate shill. I posted photos above. Photos and videos of Origin Assured facilities from many, many sources abound on the internet. And you calling evidences “fraudulent”, besides being heavily ironic from a liar such a yourself, does not make it so.

    The only fraudster here is you. You should be ashamed of yourself, helping perpetuate cruelty.

  29. So you can trace the cruelty? You’re focusing on the wrong thing. Origin Assured is a lie, designed to give people the impression that animals are treated humanely, when it’s simply a PR ploy designed to mislead consumers. Origin Assured does nothing to improve the living conditions of the animals. It’s a smoke and mirrors exercise.

    And, with all due respect, how do other forms of animal cruelty make Origin Assured any less of a lie? You keep trying to muddy the waters with tales of petro-chemicals and leather production. All bad. But other bad things do not make Origin Assured any less of a travesty.

  30. Wow. Overlooking the environmental impact of the toxins in the treatment process, and the fact that faux fur is not biodegradeable. Totally not cruel to the environment, right?

  31. Sure, just pretend like you’re not a total a**hole and everything will be fine. Seriously, people who choose to cause pain and suffering should feel like the evil losers that they really are. If you’re going to wear fur, at least own up to being totally cruel and selfish.

  33. what a terribly one sided and biased article. “fur doesn’t have to make you feel bad” are you kidding me? of course it should. fur is an incredibly cruel product. it is well documented, that animals raised on farms live miserable lives while those in the wild spend up to several days in agony while in leg traps. these poor creatures are usually clubbed, strangled or electrocuted. furthermore, the fur farms produce toxic run off and pollute the surrounding land and water systems.

  34. A shill? Hahahahahaha! And “sources abound on the Internet” doesn’t mean they are facts. Here’s a little life tip for you: just because it is on the Internet doesn’t mean it is real. Go to a mink farm and see for yourself.

  35. Toronto Life can show some leadership by writing an article on the fake fur trade (pluses and minuses as they should have done with Origina Assured). Fake fur is a true demonstration of human’s ingenuity, artistic expression and technological innovation to make something that is both beautiful and soft enough to want to cuddle up against. We are all hippocrats in our own way, but to raising animals, not for food, but for fashion – is just plain wrong. Don’t tell me it is for warmth unless you live in the far north.
    One last thing – SHAME ON YOU DRAKE – I EXPECT BETTER FROM YOU.

  36. You’ve never been to a mink farm, and your comments demonstrate that you are being paid by the fur industry to post positive comments on websites and, presumably, social media. You are not credible, and you are not very good at your job.

  37. I’ve been to mink farms in Canada, Denmark, and Sweden. Don’t you think, if the fur industry was paying me to write this, that they would at least send me to some mink farms first, so I knew what the f*ck I was talking about?

  39. Animal activists are having a hard time explaining the continuing and growing popularity of fur, among more and more people of all ages. Activists continue to pump out the same tired arguments, but people are no longer buying them — they are buying fur instead!

  40. Fur is not only warm and beautiful and a Canadian heritage industry, fur is also an excellent example of the sustainable and responsible use of a natural, renewable resource — a principle supported by the World Conservation Union and every serious conservation authority today. For more about the environmental credentials of the modern fur trade, check out http://www.Furisgreen.com

  41. …and how many eggs, hamburgers, or chicken nuggets we ate last week? Or how many leather shoes and gloves we wear? Please, the use of animals is fully accepted as ethical in our society….the only requirement is that it be done in a responsible and sustainable way, which the modern fur trade certainly is today.

  42. Quality Fur can not come from unhealthy stressed animals. It is lunacy to think that furriers wouldn’t know how to get top dollar by making sure they have proper food shelter water & medical support for their animals and stressed animals will never be a quality fur for market. Common sense dictates those realities. .

  43. Huuummm I have never felt that way about any fur wearing animal but some anally repressed folk do as they watch the wolf killing the deer and whine about the sin of it all.

  44. Fake fur is a petroleum based environmental pollutant just like the carpets in your home or the rayon jacket which the linear thinkers wear.

  45. Or the toxins involved in making cotton fields thrive. Fur is a biodegradable natural resource first offered to man by God Himself.

    The Expulsion from Paradise

    21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

  46. Fur leather wool & silk are natural renewable resources & it would be dim to miss that reality.

  47. Get real child!!! Lots of hoaxes are found on the net and some loons still want to believe in Bonsai kittens or other nonsensical internet trickery like these. http://hoaxes.org/tall-tales/jackalope.html https://www.google.ca/search?q=bonsai+kittens&biw=1024&bih=619&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qxm4VKPkFsyfggSEtIDIBw&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QsAQ They fall into believing such evil is done against animals because they want to believe such things so they can demonize other folk and want to see themselves as superior to the rest of mankind.

  48. In fact I got a petition today demanding I sign it because folk are upset that Kuerig coffee single cups are made of plastic and are polluting the environment. The same flippen plastic as found in pleather, faux fur , and the interior of most cars. Fur is a much saner choice for environment.

  49. meat , leather & fur are as natural as the kinetic energy they store for other life to thrive upon in the web of life. .

  50. If those animals have poor living conditions their fur suffers & the resulting product could cost more then it is worth at auction because it’s market potential was wasted. It is you who have very little understanding of why fur needs quality care for quality market value.

  51. How is that related in any possible way to my post? Complaining about animal activists does not, in any way whatsoever, respond to the fact that Origin Assured is a lie.

    And, by the way alan, your comment history shows that you go from website to website making positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed to the fur industry. You are clearly paid by the fur industry, and likely a sockpuppet, and your credibility is zero. But thanks for coming out with your cut and paste web comments. You earned your pay today.

  52. That’s what they (the fur industry) says. Nobody believes it, and evidence shows it to be untrue. The fur industry is factory farming, and Origin Assured is a guarantee of nothing.

  53. alan is paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites, making positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed to the fur industry. Ignore him.

  56. No. I think you simply take money to write whatever they want you to write. Your comment history clearly shows that are paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites. Your credibility is zero, and anyone looking at your history would not believe any of your claims.

  57. Um, Donnie, unclear how your links to Jackalopes et al have any relevance. But thanks for coming out.

  58. And that’s relevant to Origin Assured how? Lying about a “renewable resource” is still lying.

  59. Um, prove it. Origin Assured’s own materials show that it is meaningless and doesn’t actually require designated facilities to do anything. Where are the third party peer reviews and analysis, Donnie?

  60. alan is paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites, making
    positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed
    to the fur industry. Ignore him.

  61. Actually the vets & the industry supplying pet foods make a great deal out of the importance healthy fur means to any animal because it is well looked after but you seem to be quite negligent of that fact or just deceit-filled.

  62. Fur gets the Green Label set by environmental standards as a third party supporter who do not sell fur. Yet fur gets the Green Label. Also note Vets who recognize the overall health and care of the animals on ranches plus the biologists who request trapping as a means to maintain health of wild fur animals but those realities are to deep for you to grasp.r

  63. Would rather ignore you who could be a paid robber of old lady purses sent into the field buy PETA or H$U$.

  64. I notice you aren’t all that deep but even you should be able to see how internet Hoaxes work and that my links were in direct reflection to your claims about how you found truth on the net.

  65. Nonsense. Fur is a naturally and sustainably sourced material; fake furs are generally made from non-renewable petrochemicals. The CE Delft study was commissioned by EU animal activists and has serious methodological errors which i documented in a February 2014 post on the Truth About Fur blog. Anyone can have an opinion but it’s better to have the fcats!

  66. If I were seeking legal advice I would go to a Judge or a Lawyer without ridiculing their knowledge of the Law. seems difficult for you to use those types of smarts as you would ridicule folks who practice animal husbandry in order to get top quality animals to market. I’m thinking you couldn’t raise worms in a manure pile you know so little about animal husbandry.

  67. You can try to “shame” everyone wearing fur, but it will be a full-time job. Have you been out in the streets of any Canadian city recently? You can’t walk a block without seeing fur trim on a down-filled coat. And with the -20C to -30C weather we’ve been having this winter, you don’t need to live in the “far north” to appreciate the extraordinary isothermal qualities of natural fur!

  68. The study was commissioned by animal rights groups and weighed very little evidence into the study which crushed their suppositions Alan. .

  69. Seems like the best thing to do Skeez. No one seems to pay much attention to an paid industry mouthpiece (a prostitute) with not one ounce of integrity in his entire body.

  70. Amazing new Dodo piece today on the Fur Industry in Finland… where
    ‘radical’ animal rights activists have exposed the fur farms there:

    The Fur Industry Is Worse Than You Could Even ImagineBy Heta Rousi January 14, 2015
    http://tinyurl.com/ppv8d6q

    From the article:
    ” How is Finland going to respond to the growing international pressure to
    end fur farming? Several other European countries have already banned
    fur farming or made restrictions to it, and animal protection
    organizations deem the industry as highly unethical. Regardless, there
    are still almost a thousand fur farms in Finland, where millions of
    animals die every year. Saga Furs, a Finnish fur sales company, is
    strongly present in national as well as international markets,
    especially in China and Russia. The company plays with people’s minds
    claiming farms certified by them are ethical. The truth is quite
    different.”

    Petition to ban fur farming in Finland:
    http://tinyurl.com/prdek4v

  71. Here is an radio interview this past November, with Alana Devine, of the Montreal SPCA, who followed the industry paid mouthpiece, and completely 100% totally skewed him. In vey polite way, of course. You decide which of the two has integrity, which is the one to respect and admire. And which of the two should be pitied, and thought of as belonging to a by-gone era. A simpler time, when people were more easily manipulated by self interested money grubbing animal abusing pigs..
    http://tinyurl.com/mps8d5y

    Daybreak Montreal | Nov 11, 2014 | 11:32
    SPCA praises charges laid against mink- and fox-fur farmer

    Charges have been laid against a fur farmer in Montérégie. This comes after an investigation into his farm in Saint-Jude by the SPCA. Daybreak speaks to representatives from the SPCA and the Fur Council of Canada.

  72. Here’s an Interactive Google Map showing the Fur Farm, and Wild Fur Industry Sites in NS, and across Canada. If you zoom in, you can get an idea of the enormous size of some of them. ie Willowdale Farms, near Berwick, NS. I count 109 mink shed buildings. I measured them – each one is averaging 100 meters long. Two rows of cages in each building – Do the math and you get almost 22 km of mink cages, if laid end to end. ON ONE FARM. The amount of suffering going on in those tiny cages is beyond my imagination. No empathy, no compassion for these animals is evident anywhere on these ‘farms’ The Map:

    Fur Farm and Wild Fur Industry Sites in Canada
    http://tinyurl.com/kx3cf35

  73. New from Norway:

    Fur industry fends off latest scandal December 10, 2014

    http://tinyurl.com/mu4m7ls

    From the Article:
    ‘Horrific video taken inside various fur farms around Norway in
    recent months has once again documented what state authorities have
    called “shocking” evidence of animal abuse. Fur industry officials,
    however, are fighting hard to discredit the video and once again defend
    their controversial livelihood, while politicians let them stay in
    business.

    The video, aired nationwide Tuesday night on Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK)’s investigative program Brennpunkt,
    captures brutal insemination of some animals, pictures of injured and
    infected animals and highly questionable methods of killing animals
    before they’re skinned.

    The video, the latest in a series of media reports of animal abuse
    over the past decade, was taped with a hidden camera by animal rights
    activist Frank Nervik. He obtained access to the fur farms by contacting
    the fur industry’s own trade organization Norges Pelsdyralslag
    and applying to work for a “serious fur farmer” who could offer him
    training. Fur industry officials have long claimed that animal abuse is
    found only at a small percentage of rogue operators and not
    representative of the vast majority of professional fur farmers. ‘

  74. New Story from Sweden the other day also.

    There is every reason to think that the conditions outlined in this article exist on fur farms here in Canada. Freedom Of Information requests from the Nova Scotia Gov’t, on fur farm inspection reports, are heavily redacted. Entire pages are blacked out. The Provincial governments in Canada are , with the mink and fox farmers, are involved in state-sponsored animal abuse. On a massive scale.

    (Google Translate)
    Deficiencies in more than half of the mink farms which were inspected in 2014
    Press Release • 2015-01-14

    http://tinyurl.com/mygdq4k

    Animal Rights has mapped the county administrative boards inspections of Sweden mink farms in 2014. At just over 6 out of 10 inspected farms were noted shortcomings in animal husbandry despite the fact that nearly half of the inspections was notified in advance.

    Animal Rights has compiled the records of the inspections counties of the country made on mink farms in Sweden in 2014. The summary shows that it was conducted 23 inspections at the 70 mink farms that exist in Sweden. In 15 of the visited farms were noted shortcomings in animal husbandry. In addition, almost half of the inspections notified in advance.

    – We are unfortunately not surprised. Compliance with rules on mink farm in Sweden has been appalling for many years, says Camilla Bergvall who is responsible for fur questions on Animal Rights.

    In Sweden mink farm densest area, Blekinge, conducted last year, only four inspections at the county ca. 30 farms. All inspections in the county was unannounced and all showed several serious shortcomings. Among other things, noted the provincial government that in many of the cages on a farm saw several dead and injured mink along with other minks. Another mink farm in Blekinge had not had a visit from a veterinarian or ethologist during the year, which is a legal requirement.

    – We have long known that mink farms do not belong in a country with a modern welfare.Inspections by the provincial government last year, is just one more proof, says Camilla Björkbom who is Chair of Animal Rights.

    An excerpt from what the county administrative inspectors have prescribed in the inspection report:

    – Injured and dead minks were seen together with healthy mink on a farm.
    – Deficiencies in the killing process, there were three farms.
    – There were too many minks per cage on a farm.
    – It was inaccurate measure of the cages at four farms.
    – On two farms were broken cages with injury for minks.
    -Two farms were complaints of dirty environment and bad air.
    – On three farms were not met the requirement of free access to water.
    – Nestboxes missing sprinkle on two farms.
    – Lie shelves were missing or had incorrect measure of the seven farms.
    – Two farms had the wrong state for the number of breeding animals.
    – Three farms were complaints that they had too few or no visits by health / ethologist.
    – Requirements for employment for minks were met not at two farms.
    – Lighting requirements were met not at eleven farms.

  75. This is my top secret for a happy winter: a fur coat and shearling boots that I bought at Rusdack! I absolutely feel GREAT in my fur! I wear my coat proudly partly because it’s beyond gorgeous but mostly because I know where my coat came from which is an absolute plus. I love telling the story of my coat when people compliment me on it.
    Seriously people need to chill, if fur is not for you, don’t wear it. I see more and more real fur on the streets compared to faux. People are obviously making an informed choice which I think is great.

  76. Then perhaps I shall strive to achieve the credibility that you have, which you have demonstrated by your ignorance on how the industry works and your unwillingness to do any primary research.

  77. I think Alan was just highlighting the fact that you are fighting a losing battle with your tired arguments. Alan’s comment history shows that he actually knows facts abut the industry, which would mean he does have credibility, unlike you, who doesn’t even show his real name. But according to you, we are all “shills” and “sockpuppets” anyway, so I hope to don’t mind but I’d like to be a fur-lined sockpuppet, at least I will be warm and supporting an industry that I love.

  78. You do realize that faux fur is made from petroleum by-products. So to understand your logic – it is not ok to sustainably trap and farm fur bearing animals, but it IS ok to make clothes out of non-renewable resources and support an industry that has been the cause of massive environmental destruction and wars. Seems logical. Not.

  79. I don’t think you actually understand what “renewable” means. Can you go back to one of my original comments and read the part where I wrote the definition of “sustainable”?

  80. Alex, do you get paid by post?

    Your comment histories show that you go from website to website repeating talking points from fur industry PR departments. The proof is in the pudding. According to your respective comment histories, neither of you has any other interests. Of course not — posting comments is a job to both of you.

    You are a corporate shill, and you get paid to post this nonsense. You aren’t fooling anyone.

  82. alex is paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites, making
    positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed
    to the fur industry. This post of hers is a paid advertisement. Ignore her.

  83. Unlike you, Alex, my opinions are my own. You get paid to post PR talking points here and on other websites. You are the last person on earth to be lecturing anyone on credibility, since your opinions and comments are bought and sold.

  84. Ah, Donnie, you don’t know the facts, so you start to insult people. Are you 8 years old?

  85. Sure, Donnie. It’s a free country, and if you want to believe that the answer to this issue is the Jackalope, you go right ahead.

  86. alex is paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites, making
    positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed
    to the fur industry. This post of hers is a paid advertisement. Ignore her.

  87. Donnie, you really don’t have a clue, do you? Please point to the third party peer reviews and analysis, not what your vet told you the last time you brought your cat in for her shots.

  88. alan is paid by the fur industry to comment on various websites, making
    positive comments about the fur industry and denigrating people opposed
    to the fur industry. This post of his is a paid advertisement. Ignore him.

  89. alan is paid by the fur industry to repeat fur industry talking points in the comments sections of various websites. This post of his is a paid advertisement. Ignore him.

  90. alan is paid by the fur industry. This post of his is a paid advertisement. Ignore him.

  92. Hello Alexandra. It has been my experience that the animal rights crowd are seeking a position of Angelic Nirvana for themselves by spreading demonizing untruths about animal husbandry. They willing show their gullibility to the world whenever any internet attack against animal use is put forth. The rants against the Bonsai Kitten site is one such example because they wanted to believe folks were shallow & corrupt enough to want such patterned kittens. Sadly they found a great methodology for exercising their hypocrisy as every animal on this planet MUST live on the death of other animals while they attack the meat & other industries which provide our fur and clothing . Since 98 % of the world population eats meat or uses animal bi-products those animal rights demonizers think they can ignore that all flesh must die & will continue to hate monger those who are not hand wringing apologists for living as nature intended. None of them realize their own food is harvested by even more cruel means as sugar fields burn or animals are ground into the dirt by crop production methodology.

  93. Indeed I do know the facts. Animal Husbandry demands high standards of upkeep in order to sell quality fur but you continue to ignore the obvious. Also of note is Wild fur production uses the same traps as Biologists use in catch & release programs because they do not cause the harm you claim they do. You make up facts in order to support your desire to believe you are doing something worthy in trying to keep animals alive but miss the reality that all flesh will die & healthy species thrive on those deaths. Trapping & hunting reduce long term suffering such as starvation, disease caused by over population, territorial infighting crippling & increased road kills or crippling effects of running into a vehicle.

  94. Good grief you are shallow. It is a fact that vets will note before all else that an animal shows good health because it’s coat has lustre and that is a sign of being well maintained. Since ranchers and farmers know this truth they seek to get best health in their animals for that lustre & it is a must in the fur industry.

  95. Nothing worse in your book , than having a person who might be selling a quality product to be handing out information as to why quality is built on healthy animals versus your rather silly comments about how quality fur can be obtained without giving animals quality care.

  96. Yes, Donnie, we’ve heard all about your expert knowledge based on what your vet told you about your cat. Thanks again for coming out.

  97. Yup. Donnie doesn’t have anything substantive to say, so starts name-calling.

    Donnie, please do some research. Don’t make assumptions about the fur industry based on your cat.

  98. Donnie, I have asked you repeatedly to point to the third party analysis which supports these assertions of yours, which you seem to have gleaned from your cat’s visits to its vet. Provide the links, please.

  99. You think your flippant remarks are gaining support for you but knowledgeable pet owners and folks who practice animal husbandry know you are nothing but bluster & no cognizant reasoning capabilities.

  100. Actually it is a truth that makes a point out of your being a victim of PETA or H$U$ planning.

  101. Donnie, your opinions seem based on your cat’s visits to the vet and Keurig coffee pods.

  103. Thanks for coming out, knowledgeable pet owner Donnie.

    I am worried that you have plans to turn your pet into a fur coat.

  104. The buyers of fur are buying it because they understand sustainable resourcing which doesn’t harm the environment in the way that petroleum based products do. That is a good third party indicator in the reason why fur is on the increase along with the ability of folks to see that top quality fur is a result of good animal husbandry versus the lies that the PETAfiles & H$U$ites have been caught in. i

  105. The answer is in direct reply to your pretense that as PETAfiles were gullible enough to believe the Bonsai Kitten Hoax they are prone to being victims of the hoax that quality fur can be obtained without practising quality care.

  106. The proof is on the Fashion racks & runways around the world. Those Runways offer top quality fur from top quality animals and it is silly to believe unhealthy uncared for animals, could attain such sales.

  107. The only way animals can not be classed as a non-renewable resource is if they become extinct & since fur animals are valuable they are not going to face that dilemma so it seems you are mired in your own lies..

  108. Ignore her because she points out your obvious misrepresentation of reality. You really are quite shallow.

  109. Your opinions are valueless when weighted against the facts and it is more reasonable to have a rancher or crop producer to hand out facts than an opinionated gullible person who is lost to the facts.

  111. How naïve are you? PETA was CONVICTED of paying people to skin animals alive so they could film it for their snuff videos. https://topcatsroar.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/animal-welfare-v-animal-rights-skinned-alive-is-a-myth/ Animal rights manufactures the cruelty they blame on the fur industry so they don’t have to get REAL jobs. I knew a lady with a pet chinchilla, she said it was bald half the time because they drop their fur when stressed. So hou is the fur industry producing lush fur from such a neurotic animal then? Because they’re not abused at all. In a study the mink industry found that a separate bedding area made mink happier-so they added that. No one forced them. One fur coat, restyled, can last for generations while toxic petrochemical produced faux takes hundreds to thousands of years to biodegrade. http://www.wearefur.com/fur-now/myth-buster

  115. Having a vet look at animals is wise animal husbandry because they are involved in creating better health for animals unlike PETA who destroy animals they make contact with rather than pay for sheltering, food & medical attention. The petition bears witness to why folks do not like plastic in the environment but leave it to you to ignore that reality as you hate monger a natural renewable biodegradable product such as fur.

  116. Donnie, for someone like you who started name-calling on these threads yesterday, you are in no position to be calling anyone childish and spiteful.

  117. KaD, I see from your comment history that you seem to hate animals, most notably dogs. Forgive me if I don’t take your fur industry propaganda seriously.

  118. Donnie, what have I misrepresented? I have provided quotes and links. You, in comparison, have provided details about the fictional Jackalope and things you learned while taking your cat to the vet, and despite repeated requests, have failed to provide the third party verifications of any of the claims you have made. You also resorted to name-calling.

    You are the last person to be accusing someone else of misrepresentation or being shallow. You have done nothing but since you first arrived here.

  119. Uh huh. This thread is about Origin Assured and the fact that it lies about the conditions in designated facilities and is a lot of PR baloney. Your nonsensical posts about PETA (which I am not particularly familiar with – as a dog lover, I don’t have a lot of time for them) and Bonsai Kittens, whatever that is, are quite irrelevant. If you would focus on the facts at issue, and spend less time insulting people here, and insulting people generally with your tales of conspiracies (garbage like “demonizing untruths”), etc. I’d have more time for your comments. But as it is, you’ve done nothing but waste all our time.

  120. ” I know where my coat came from ”

    If you think Origin Assured tells you anything about the provenance of your coat, then you are mistaken.

  121. This from the gal that tells everyone to ignore folks that are opposed to your opinion & calls folks involved in pointing out your fallacies Company shrills.

  122. hey Canadianskeezix Do you think it would be OK to promote the seal pelt eaten by the inuit as the most ecological clothing fabric? perhaps the FABRIC OF our nation? If an animal farmer mistreats he should be dealt with, imprisoned if merited. you seem to believe all ranchers mistteat each and every animal. ABSURD If a car speeds and breaks the law do we all have to stop driving? give up our driving priveleges? NO that would be ABSURD, well that is how you sound to me!

  123. keep polluting our océans are full of your FAUX plastic societies, you will NEVER EVER SUCCEED at stopping animal use,try animal welfare for all species and be of help

  125. MAN YOU SOUND FRUSTRATED THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS AS YOU MAY LIKE , BEING WRONG ALL THE TIME OVER AND OVER AGAIN MUST BE FRUSTRATING ESPECIALLY THAT ALL YOU ACHIEVE IS RANTING OVER AND OVER AND OVER GO AWAY YOU ARE A RAINY DAY FULL OF DREAMY NONSENSE!

  126. ROLLING STONES………..YOU CAN’T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT BUT IF YOU TRY SOMETIME YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED !la la la la la KEY of C

  132. skeezix is still ranting her frustration, why? because she wears leather! leather was fur before the fur hair was removed!

  135. Is the meat freezer in PETAs’ Virginia Beach headquarters meant to store meat or to kill 85% of peoples’ pets?

  136. you do not seem to have a doubt about anything, cocksure one.So certain you’re right all you are is a blind opinion,I have an opinion as well and it is based on facts. That might be the reason each and every government in Canada approves of fur as an ethical product based on FACTS not a bleeding heart!

  137. She makes fun of folks who point out her fallacious claims without realizing her nonsencical beliefs are disproved by the reality that quality fur can only come from animals who receive quality care.To offer less care reduces financial returns to every facet of the fur industry.

  138. Toronto Life is absolutely right to feature Canadian beaver fashion!
    firstly the natives eat the beaver to exist, 2) beaver are a wonderful species but their dams could and have caused deaths due to washed out highways, 3) Beaver are monogamous and have 4 to 6 cubs each spring(do the math)so when they overpopulate this causes a lack of food supply. Nature has a solution for that, a disease called TULARAMIA which decimates the entire beaver population, sounds cruel? perhaps but nature knows that the forest needs 25 to 50 years to regrow and sustain a beaver colony. Perhaps controlled trapping is much less cruel, oh by the way is it wrong to market the pelt or should the natives be denied that right as well. Bad enough faux everything has filled lakes and rivers with mercury as pristine waters once provided them with fresh fish, now the very fine fakes you promote are filling our seas with plastics(all over the news) a point no sane person can deny.

  140. Spite-filled & childish for sure Terry. Any cognizant person would realize my point about quality fur needing quality care of animals is solid.

  141. Actually PETA were successfully charged for killing animals just a few miles from the Vet offices which they promised the vets that they would take unclaimed animals back to PETA shelters. They than executed the animals & played dumpster toss with them.

  142. sorry I misclicked reply , I am a strong supporter of fur and other natural products, I was answering the ranting call of the loon known as cdnskeezix we are on the sane side of the street,we are not the wrong ones! OK good luck to us

  143. Actually I refuse to be a victim of your untruths and have pointed out some major faults in your story line. Major one being that fur from any fur ranchers must get quality care or it will lose market value. Any thinking person would be able to realize that truth but you are playing duck & jive with that truth.

  144. Actually quite a few of these Skeezix types are willing victims because they want to believe they are above the baseness of the natural world while ignoring the hypocrisy of their lost Angelic Nirvana because they also cause animal deaths through collateral damage. Even their crop based food involves billions of deaths in order to get their corn flakes or sugar bowl filled.

  145. No need to note that Terry. I knew you were chiding Skeez for her linear thinking & misrepresentation of facts.

  146. Leather is fur with the fur removed, do you wear leather shoes ? leather belts? maybe you are a hypocrit and an ass WHOLE!

  148. Well I suppose all of Canadas’ wildlife ministries are (according to you) wrong. You are very modern in your thinking, wear faux products and listen to HSUS and PETA spew the old tired bull about better go naked than wear natural fur, even though every other method of keeping warm is polluting. Well in this climate I’d rather use fur, in California perhaps fur seems cruel, our ancestors would laugh at your thinking but you are entitled to an opinion, too bad it’s not based on facts.

  149. Fur ranchers do not need subsidies, pay attention to auction results, prices have and continue to be strong. WHY? Because people realize natural is better than polluting faux! Whether it be faux fur or other petroleum dérivatives that are filling our seas! GOOD LUCK ON YOUR LONELY ROAD

  151. The fur trade continues to sail, good winds blow, people like yourself only hurt the natives here, be it the inuit who have no other food besides SEAL MEAT, the forest tribes that depend on beaver, goose when the seasons apply, and who are you to say this is wrong? While you ride in elevators these trappers and hunters walk and keep the land pristine. who are you to critic legal ranches? Professionals in the veterinary field and wildlife biologists know better than the tears activists spew, yes you have an opinion, an opinion based on your bleeding heart, I have an informed opinion based on facts. Keep up the faux petroleum plastics life until the earth as you know it is finished. Check out David Suzukis’ site and for true facts visit TRUTH ABOUT FUR! so sorry you’re on the wrong path,.,. be well!!

  152. Toronto Life is correct fur should make you feel good,and it does! Personally I like to see people using natural and renewable products. Shame on you for promoting synthetics, man made product has changed our planet for the worse, lakes and rivers were once pristine, the tar sands ruined a beautiful land home to natives for centuries, our seas are full of plastics used to manufacture faux and other pollutants. FOR A GLOBAL CITIZEN you seem unaware of todays’ realities, we are in the process of harming our planet beyond your global scope. It will be quite impossible to end animal usage so your time and efforts would be better spent promoting welfare for all animals especially that fur bearing animals represent a tiny portion of animal usage. Your choice of promoting FAUX is gross and I am calling you out on this. Opinions based on fact are respected, opinions based on an unthinking bleeding heart will never be respected. I sincerely hope you read my reply. ( I respect David Suzuki) don’t you???

  153. Well I suppose you forgot that ranchers give life to animals, and I wonder if we can ask these animals ‘would you like to BE or NOT TO BE they would probably answer TO BE, Why you ask? Because I love the taste of fish scraps (rather than waste this nutrient) I have never been hungry, never been thirsty, and I’m inocculated so I have never experienced disease, from my point of view I like my life so let me have my two years on this Earth and do not release me because I couldn’t cope with all your cars and trucks and trains and just let me be. I’m happy here and I hope you are happy in your polluting environment. Enjoy your plastics!!!!!!

  154. Right on but,,,…only because politicians pander to antis to remain in office, in reality all Canadian governments agree with proper ranching, that’s a fact, Veterinarians animal biologists and most sane people know the alternative is polluting and that we do very well as human fools continue to pollute at an alarming rate, millions of animals need us to provide welfare and ethics. Stopping at fur is silly as fur animals represent a tiny fraction of animal usage,Your time and efforts would be better spent making sure these animals all have a better life!!

  155. You watch way too much P.E.T.A. news, Skinned alive? are you nuts ? ?? why would any sane person do that?? The blood would taint the pelt and make it worthless. Way too much brainwashing has been done to you,and that is a terrible shame, i believe if you used your own mind or listened to both sides , you also would have an informed opinion based on facts and not bull spew!!

  156. I am afraid you are the one that is delusional that’s why you rant and rant incessantly. I am the other side of the coin keeping big mouths like you that are wrong in order.
    I have studied both sides and now know your opinion comes from bleeding hearts, easy to be unthinking,while 98% of animal usage goes neglected by you and other ANTIS because focus on fur means easy money for those living THE LIFE OF RILEY at PETA, HSUS, and many more agencies with piles of money untaxed and now hidden in offshore accounts! SMELL THE COFFEE

  157. Mmm… what you said is far from the truth. Just go on YouTube and there are tons of fur animals being skinned alive videos. I don’t think I am allowed to post any gruesome videos here. The reason they are skinned alive is because fur farmers or trappers don’t want any cut on the skin. So sometimes they hit the animals on the head or pass electric current through their anus to stun them. The animals are still alive most of the time, just can’t move and they gain fully consciousness after a while. It takes up to 20 or 30 agonizing minutes for an animal without skin to die. I am an engineer by profession. I don’t get brainwashed easily. All the facts are out there for all to investigate. You would be floored by the extreme cruelty if you care to face the truth.

  158. Helen!!! That is crazy talk. No same person would be risking their product by skinning it alive and their own flesh would also be at high risk. Skinning alive would increase risks of excess blood flow from nicked veins and flesh capillaries as a living animal pumps blood but dead ones do not.. Why do people WANT to believe the lies that animal rights advocates promote?? Is it because you want to hate monger large groups of people so you can believe yourself better then the next guy? Regardless of a reason the fact remains that skinning animals alive is not likely to put quality fur on the runway but it is likely to put the animal skinner in the hospital looking for tetanus shots.

  159. All the facts are out there. Just do your own research, unless you are a troll or a fur farmer deliberately spreading misinformation here.

  160. And it’s not only the skinning alive part. You have non-domesticated untamed animals locked up in cages all their lives. They go crazy. Look at some of the videos, and you will see them turn around and around in their tiny cages 24/7, cutting their legs and paws in the wire. Some literally chew on their own legs or tail.Those injuries are never treated, of course. So they live in pain and infection all their lives.

  161. Helen the facts are that Animal Rights Advocates have been caught & successfully charged for creating gratuitous cruelty against animals in order to make the claim that such actions are common. Common sense tells you that no human would partake in such cruelty on a hourly bases in a n attempt to make a living. Three reasons for my point of view rise to the top of the common sense meter. One being it would be too dangerous. Two being it would be a guaranteed means of devaluing the fur & three being the fact that humanity is usually ruled by a desire to take a life in a humane methodology.

  162. Helen!!! Stop and think about your claims. These animals are not going to sell quality fur in the market place if those claims were true. Since it is obvious that they are not true the animals are kept & sold as quality fur because they are not the rabid wild animals the animal rights lies have sold to the people. As for animal rights propaganda presentations it should be quite evident that any lie can be created for a camera & stirring up animals on fur farms would only take running a bar or stick across the cage frame and then claiming that the animals are in constant stress & agitation. Once again the truth is ruled by common sense. Such agitation & stress would create a sub standard pelt and the fur wouldn’t sell.

  163. Actually snuff film presentations by Animal Rights Activists who got caught and were charged for such cruelty is well documented in Court archives. Even the Toronto men who skinned the kitten alive & filmed the inter-reaction admitted they did so in order to build a case against the meat industry in the name of Animal Rights. You really should seek a more realistic view of humanity than the path you are on now. http://www.furcommission.com/saving-society-from-animal-snuff-films/

    Saving society from animal snuff films . What a great goal.

  164. So silly of you to make synthetics your choice, Watch some real news, listen to studied scientists who warn us about global warming, the plastics filling our land fills and seas. Have you no respect for proffessionals in the fields you know nothing about? Scientists, veterinarians, wildlife biologists,etc. Agencies that create bleeding hearts(like yourself) lead you along with a carrot on a stick and Pocket all the money they can grab, tax free, and if that is not enough they stash it in off shore accounts!
    Toronto Life shows a photo of wild natural beaver and all we hear about is the horrible man that owns a mink ranch, well I can easily defend mink ranching but the real subject is natural product or synthetics. I choose to keep our earth as pollution free as possible so unthinking folks could also benefit. I will take David Suzukis thinking to bed with me because he is a smart thinker who loves the EARTH to be just as natural as can be. Animal usage will continue whether we like it or not so i am asking all animal lovers to adopt the welfare approach for the 99% of animals you are ignoring,and the human animal as well.!!!!!!

  165. Mmm… you really sound like a troll. Troll’s tactics I’ve encountered are: 1. Keep repeating your script although others have already

    fully debunked what you are saying. And in this case, there are so many videos out there on YouTube and Facebook that nobody with any common sense would question it. Yet you keep repeaing your script. 2. Mention (but not cite with links) isolated cases which overwhelming evidence shows cannot represent the norm. 3. Discredit and insult the person bringing the info rather than target the info.

    It is useless to talk with trolls. Trolls are paid, or have financial interest in the matter. I’m don’t. My goal is to bring awareness to the facts so that people can examine and determine the truth themselves.

  166. It is easy to explain. Fur traders/farmers like you give free fur coats to celebrities and wardrobe departments. You also pay celebrities to wear them. Although lots of celebrities with a conscience refuse, you managed to find a few who do. Some celebrities such as Jean-Claude Van Damme spoke out against fur instead.

    http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/10/14/jean-claude-van-damme-speaks-out-against-fur-with-massive-billboard/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2-oQE_64Tg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmgPAGS0QAQ

  167. The few unpaid so-called animal rights activists are against a big industry and money making machine. And you are linking the big machine that spins lies. I am just an ordinary person, and with a few click, I found overwhelming evidence to debunk your big machine’s lie. Just look at the overwhelming evidence out there. With a few click, there are easy over 50 raw videos, and insider testimony about the extreme cruelty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB3QDPJQa_0

    http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/10/14/jean-claude-van-damme-speaks-out-against-fur-with-massive-billboard/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8b51zMk3SY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__0dbq9dkPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVcWiilLoKM

  168. Anybody with access to internet can easily find and discern the truth themselves. The following are just the tip of the iceberg. Please tell me, how can you face your kids and sleep well at night making a living off these poor animals?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB3QDPJQa_0

    http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/10/14/jean-claude-van-damme-speaks-out-against-fur-with-massive-billboard/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKbldQmMqM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8b51zMk3SY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__0dbq9dkPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVcWiilLoKM

  169. Yes, there are indeed quite a few paid trolls and shills here. Their tactics are easy to spot: They keep repeating their script although you have already fully debunked what they were saying. Instead of reasonable discussion about facts, they tend to attack you or so-called animal rights activist personally, stir up emotions and distort the facts. No point talking to paid trolls and shills. What dirty profession.

  170. Ah, you are a paid troll/shill indeed, as others have identified here. Typical troll tactics you are using: 1. Keep repeating your script although I have fully debunked them already, ie, all the facts are out there for people to examine. 2. Personal attack or attack so-called animal rights folks instead of focusing on facts and argue about them.

    Paid troll/shill is a terrible job, spreading lies that harm people and animals. For the sake of your conscience, please stop.

  172. Well I guess the shame is on you, all you are doing is repeating the same BULL spew that we hear from money grabbing activists. your knowledge is little more than your bleeding heart can allow into your analytical mind.some videos use suffering animals on purpose, it is idiotic to say trappers trap out of season and during BIRTHING SEASONS so you see brain not working you just repeat the bull spew you have been taught! Dogs and cats trapped in a professionals’ trapline? Are you a fools fool? You sound like one! How far north did puppy and kitty travel?
    The real issue as far as I am concerned is natural vs synthetics, and you should be ashamed of your self for promoting polluting faux as an alternative, as an engineer you should know that our lakes and rivers are no longer pristine, our seas are full of the plastics we cannot get rid of, and that oïl(TAR) sands have ruined a beautiful land home to Canadas’ natives for centuries.Need I go on?
    Coming back to your ample knowledge of trapping and fur ranching if an animal was skinned alive there would multiple cuts on the pelt, the pelt would be ruined for that reason and also blood would taint the pelt rendering all the work useless not to mention the danger to the human doing this work! You have been brainwashed otherwise would a degreed engineer say such wrong and silly degrading things? I am not an engineer but I am sane enough to not tell an engineer how to do their work! However if you would like more information about my trade answer back and I can tell you the TRUTH ABOUT FUR!

  173. “you have already fully debunked what they were saying” Has he/she??? I have not seen any reliable evidence that debunks my own. Have you done any primary research? And I am more than happy to have a “reasonable discussion about facts” but sadly you don’t have any facts to present. Just propaganda from animals rights groups. It is hard ot have a discussion with that, isn’t it?

  174. Apparently everyone who supports a cause that doesn’t fit in with their ridiculous beliefs is a “shill.”

  175. Fur farmers give away coats?? I WISH!!! Fur farmers do not have the money to give away coats. Do you think they just have piles of coats in the back barn ready to give away at a moment’s notice? These are all small farmers who don’t have the resources to be giving product away. The designer brands do that, not the farmers.

  176. Apples and oranges? You are incredibly ignorant. The care of an animal, whether it be on a farm or in a home, is very similar. You take good care of them, they have great fur. What exactly are you implying when you say that “evidence” shows that farmers don’t want to treat their animals well in order to get fur. Our argument has logic (happy animal = good fur) – what exactly is your argument? That a PETA video on Youtube shows differently and therefore all farmers are bad?

  177. Hey, @Canadianskeezix:disqus – would love to hear your response to this one. Or is @disqus_7vztriX9HL:disqus a “shill”, too?

  178. Quotes and links do not equate facts. Please send me one, just ONE reliable source of information that proves that most, or even some, Origin Assured animals are treated badly and I’ll throw away a fur coat.

  179. One bad farmer does not mean all farmers are bad. When there is a story about a dairy farmer mistreating his animals, do you then assume that all dairy farmers are bad? Our industry is not represented by one individual.

  180. @donniemacleod:disqus there is no point trying to explain to @Canadianskeezix:disqus what “sustainable” or “renewable” means because he simply does not get it. It’s laughable.

  181. An ex-trapper in Maine said: “I trapped and killed a lot of cats, and an
    occasional dog. The unspoken rule is that if a vet can see that the
    injury is from a trap, we kill them and throw them away.” Traps do not
    discriminate. Trappers do admit that they trap a lot of non-targets, so why not stray cats and dogs? A couple of years ago, my friend’s dog named Andrew was killed in a Conibear trap on public trail. My friend was walking with Andrew. She could not open the trap to free Andrew, Frantic, she asked two other men to help. They couldn’t open it either. She said the trap did not kill humanely as trappers say. It took a long time for Andrew to die in an agonizing way.

    At this age, nobody need to wear fur, natural or synthetic. I never promote faux fur.

    As for skinning animals alive, no need to argue, because you can see them on plenty of videos yourself. The following are just the tip of the iceberg:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8b51zMk3SY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKbldQmMqM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2NPKied5s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__0dbq9dkPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB3QDPJQa_0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMb6zV849Wg

  182. KEEP UP THE PROMOS FOR POLLUTING CONTINUOSLY, AND KNOW THAT YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME ATTACKING A PERFECTLY LEGAL AND NATURAL OPTION. ALSO YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE VERY LITTLE AS FUR ACCOUNTS FOR LESS THAN .01% OF THE ANIMALS TAKEN ANNUALLY! !99.9%OF ANIMAL USAGE IS BEING NEGLECTED BY SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE WHO MEAN WELL BUT ARE SO WRONG . ANIMAL WELFARE SHOULD BE PROMOTED ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL SECTORS, SO YOU HELP VERY LITTLE, BUT YOU RANT A LOT, OPEN UP YOUR MIND AND BE USEFUL!!

  183. It is not good to make money out of the pain and suffering of others. The freeing of slaves in American not only freed the slaves, but the conscience of the slave owners as well. Please find a good profession that you get to rely on your own effort, but not having have to steal from others. Stealing others’ body part is the worst form of stealing.

    Prominent scientists in 2012 signed a Declaration of Consciousness declaring that “animals are conscious like us, and feel much like we do”. In other words, you can safely put yourself in the animals’ shoes. Would you like somebody to trap you at your home and kill you for your skin?

  184. I’m just an engineer trying to spread the truth when I have some spare time.

    A couple of years ago, my friend’s dog named Andrew was killed in a
    Conibear trap on public trail. My friend was walking with Andrew. She
    could not open the trap to free Andrew, Frantic, she asked two other men
    to help. They couldn’t open it either. She said the trap did not kill
    humanely as trappers say. It took a long time for Andrew to die in an
    agonizing way.

    An ex-trapper in Maine said: “I trapped and killed a lot of cats, and an occasional dog. The unspoken rule is that if a vet can see that the injury is from a trap, we kill them and throw them away.” Traps do not discriminate. Trappers do admit that they trap a lot of non-targets,

    The more I looked into it, the more I found out that fur is extremely cruel, no matter they come from fur farms or in the wild.

    But you know, trolls and shills thought they are just doing a job. But it is a job with many victims. People should get a better profession so that they can live with their conscience.

  185. God bless you Terry. But please find a profession that doesn’t have to harm others.

    I agree that animal welfare need to be across the board. And you can start by stop harming animals yourself.

    And who says I’m promoting pollution? Nobody should wear fur these days, real or faux.

  186. Actually it seems as though you are being the attacker here as you call folks defending domesticated animal husbandry or wild fur truths and calling the defenders paid trolls or shills and then add the pretense that you are giving reasonable discussion. You are not and any person raising any type of domesticated animals can see where your fallacies arise. Ditto the trapping industry which uses the same brand of traps as the wildlife biologists use for scientific studies, re-locates & re-introduction knowing those traps will cause the least amount of harm to a pelt or to a catch & release program.

  187. Here is one for you that Skeez will never provide but she will continue to pretend it makes sense to skin animals alive while any reasonable person would know it doesn’t.

    1964: Private film company Artek Films vilifies
    Canadian sealers with footage, screened by CBC television, of a seal
    being skinned alive. Following a public outcry and investigation, the
    man in the film, Gus Poirier of Prince Edward Island, signs an affidavit
    declaring that he was “employed by a group of photographers … to skin a
    large seal for the film. I solemnly swear before witnesses that I was
    asked to torment the said seal and not to use a [club], but just to use a
    knife to carry out this operation, where in normal practice a [club] is
    used to first kill the seals before skinning them.” A Federal Standing
    Committee castigated CBC “for not enquiring into its accuracy before
    screening,” but the damage had been done.

    Despite the ruling, the footage would later be used in IFAW
    propaganda, even though its founder, Brian Davies, stated under oath
    that he had never actually seen a seal being skinned alive.

    Campaign tactics of this kind were largely responsible for the
    introduction in 1972 of the US Marine Mammal Protection Act, which
    stands to this day. Among the impacts of this draconian and
    scientifically unjustifiable law was the end to imports of marine mammal
    products from Canada to the US, and the subsequent devastation of local
    economies across maritime Canada. (See FCUSA Press Kit Special Feature: Marine Mammal Protection Act)

  188. If such a signing took place it was signed by hypocrites who can not come to terms with the scientific fact that all life depends on death of other life in order for all species of life to move onto the next generational swing.

  189. However in the answers I gave folks that raise domesticated animals can see that Skeez is lost to reality, the reasons why quality animals need quality handling & it obvious Skeez is painfully gullible or extremely dishonest. I do not worry about educating Skeez as much as letting folks weigh truth against her fiction.

  191. A cheap trick to use personal (ad hominem) attacks to avoid addressing the serious arguments that I raised. In fact, I don’t see much intelligent discussion or even compassion from the self-proclaimed “animal-rights” advocates on this page. Mostly schoolyard insults that discredit your claim to seek a more enlightened society…

  192. So if people do not agree with your point of view, they have been manipulated by celebrities? Like the old Marxist concept of false consciousness? LOL. Fascinating the arrogance of assuming that other people cannot make up their own minds!

  193. Not sure how it happened but I, a retired Telco implementation coordinator was either demoted or promoted to being a paid shill to by Helen who I suspect is another pen name adopted by Skeez.

  194. That is not true. Wildlife Control Officers, much less wildlife researchers, do not use cruel traps such as Conibear traps. My friend’s dog Andrew, a German shepherd died in such a trap a couple of years ago while she was walking with him on public trail. She couldn’t open the trap to save him. Two men stopped by and frantically tried to open the trap, still couldn’t. My friend said Andrew’s death was far from humane as trappers always like to put it. It took a bloody long time for Andrew to die in her arms, with the trap gripping and crushing his body.

  195. Unfortunately we humans are far removed from the circle of natural life. Nature is humane and useful. We humans are cruel and destructive. Natural predators kill quickly and efficiently, pumped up so much adrenaline in the prey that the prey hardly feel the pain. Predators also take the weak and the sick, hence improving the gene pool of the prey. On the other hand, human hunters take the strongest animals with the biggest antlers, not doing a favor to the animal gene pool at all. And the way we torture animals these days in fur farm, traps and factory farms, people would go to jail immediately if those routine practices were done to our pets.

  196. The earth going around the sun is not a point of view. So is this. Fact are out there for all to examine.

  197. I always wonder: How much do trolls and shills get paid per post? Trolls must be paid much less, because they would post a lot of short mostly insulting comments without any substance, while shills’ posts are usually more elaborate. You can see that the shills are armed with a bunch of misinformation to dole out. Both follow a script though.

  198. So are you a corporate shill or troll for PETA (or HSUS, Furbearer Defenders, etc)? You keep “repeating your script” and prefer “attacking those who disagree with you personally” instead of engaging to serious facts and arguments. Just wondered…

  199. Most states/provinces do not allow conni-bear traps on dry land as they are not designed to kill large dogs. Paw traps & snares are most often the trap of choice for canine & cat trapping of wild fur. It is also a pity that folks do not have immediate control of their dogs while in wilderness areas as they are the reason that such unleashed animals get caught in traps. However it is also note worthy to review the reality that because of BMP studies on accumulated hours of traps in the field versus the animal rights propaganda that hardly any non target animals get caught in traps. I have caught two dogs in a lifetime of hobby trapping beginning when I was in grade school. Both were returned to their owners unharmed. One was caught in a paw trap while the other was caught in a self locking snare. Since the second dog had been broken to leash it was sitting mildly in the snare when I found it. However both dogs were caught as free roaming animals far from home. If I had taken them to Natural Resources, the owner could have been fined and then given a, next time your dog is found roaming it will be put down edict. I didn’t follow that path and gave the owners back their dogs as per their dog tag info. The truth is that millions of hours of traps in the field waiting for an animal produces very minute numbers of non target animals and with domesticated animals it is most often the owners fault in the same way that cats & dogs are hit by cars because owners can not get it right.

  200. I’m just a plain old design engineer, with two graduate degrees. So naturally I am not paid by any organization to do this, or even remotely associated with PETA or anybody. I gather and discriminate facts myself. Then I do random acts of truth telling.

    I pointed out many serious facts and arguments in previous comments. Where are yours?

    Since somebody has already identified you to be a troll, there is really no point going any further. I just want to say that being a troll is a nasty job, not without victims. Please reconsider.

  201. Good Grief. Man doesn’t belong in the natural balance of nature!!! Who knew other than you. Natural predators kill quickly & efficiently??? You are beyond reality and totally warped by Bambiology.

  202. My friend had control of Andrew through command. It is a legal way of controlling a dog.

    One ex-trapper said, “What finally got to me was not the many dogs and cats that my traps killed, but seeing a racoon chewed bloody her entire arm and shoulder, down to bare bones, so desperately trying get out. I can’t imagine myself being in the same situation. Maybe she has babies in her den she needed to get back to.”

  203. Trapping does not take place when babies are in their dens & trappers know that truth but the animal rights advocates do not. If a person has a dog run under a car while under the owners command whose fault is it? Please don’t be so asinine as to state that the car owner is.

  204. Man has certainly lost touch with nature. Look at how we are destroying nature now, with dozens of extinction happening every day. Our hunters are far from hunting along the rules of nature. They are not like the native Americans, whose culture teaches them to take responsibly, in a humane way, and only what they need.

    Natural predators like lions and wolves can’t afford wasting any energy not to kill their prey quickly and efficiently. That is the law of nature. Lots of animals live on the margin, ie, at the door of death. For instance, if you accidentally scare off a flock of bird roosting at night in winter, you might have killed them already, since many don’t have extra energy to take that flight and lose body heat.

    Nature is also humane. There are accounts of people attacked by wild animals (very rare). They said they didn’t feel any pain at all, until long after they had evaded danger, because of the adrenaline flowing in their bodies.

  205. I don’t know what ‘animal rights advocates’ say. I just quoted what an ex-trapper said.

  206. You know very little about natural history despite your bluster. Modern man has created value to animal populations and brought many back from extinction through wildlife & domestication programs. However that is not the biggest story. The big story is that more than 95 percent of the animal extinctions which have taken place happened without having any impact from mankind.

  207. You repeated what a person claiming to be a trapper said. Any trapper knows trapping unless for animal control purposes takes place in winter or fall and all fur trapping takes place after young have reached adulthood.

  208. Past extincts were slow and not man-made. This extinction is man-made and fast, as most scientists agree. Luckily man was not in previous extinctions, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have made it. We are not that lucky this time. We humans are sustained by the web of life on earth. Each day we are cutting a few strands on this web. There is no doubt among scientists that if the web collapses, we would collapse with it. There is also no doubt that the web WILL collapse if we continue our present course. The question is only WHEN.

  209. As you said, there are animal control reasons that trappers trap off season, for beavers, racoons, etc. And of course, there are many by-catch as well, unintended victims.

  210. Mark this in your book. Cattle, Sheep, Mink , Fox, Bobcat & other quality furred animals will not be going extinct because of their worth. Ditto Alligators and other animals brought back from the brink of extinction such as the raptors which survived DDT dispersal used to protect the crops vegans are so fond of..

  211. State & Provincial biologists would gladly point out your claim to be a falsehood because they found that millions of hours of traps waiting to spring in the field hardly ever found an non-targeted animal and were very successful in getting the exact animal they were set for. Some non-targets might be a coyote or bobcat getting caught in a fox trap but that is good thing as far as trappers are concerned.

  212. Thank for the kind words, I never have harmed any being and I am retired, but that does not mean that I believe as you do. I believe you mean well but I stand firm behind my informed opinion. Yes loud noises coming from activists allowed me to take a second look at what was right and what was wrong with our ideologies, and I discovered things my side could be doing better, moreso I discovered pandering to the loud and vocal minority. As an example the U.S. banned all seal products on the fallacy of an endangered species, so if an American visits our Northern communities and purchase any seal related product they will have it taken away from them. This of course makes no sense whatsoever,as the Inuit need seal to survive in a land frozen to vegetables and extremely high costs for canned goods if any are available at all. The natives in Canada will continue to practice their lifestyle and work in the forests keeping an eye out for European descendants infecting their waters with mercury, acids and other stupidities! Would you eat mercury laden fish? Is that not polluting blindly?. Now they can’t trap? Well you must know they eat the beaver and the muskrat whether activists succeed to ruin the pelt market or not.
    Toronto Life was and is right to feature a natural Canadian beaver designed by a Canadian in a Canadian magazine it is an ethical product,as leather is and I know you are too smart to wear plastic shoes so your shoes were once a fur product only now the fur has been removed. As Sir Paul once answered I WEAR LEATHER SANDALS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST COMFORTABLE!! but he is still against fur. Sir Paul may be a wonderful talent in his field but knows very little about my arena. HYPOCRIT AND DOES NOT KNOW IT.
    I have lost a most beautiful son to cancer and I would give any rats’ ass to find a cure to save a neighbors’ child and when I hear STUPID healthy people rant against medical research YES I AM ANGRY at and terribly disappointed in the humans’ capacity to remain ignorant!!
    Back to the subject, although Toronto Life featured wild beaver the antis made this (blog) discussion about mink ranches, is that where antis draw the line? do you believe releasing live mink from the farm will help them ? or harm them? these animals were given life on a farm and cannot handle free range as proven many times in the past by well meaning fools who do not get it!! the mink want to remain right where they are, 1) innoculated and will never know disease 2)they are well fed using delicious fish scraps, 3)never thirsty, 4) and the MAIN REASON they have been given LIFE and I am certain that if we could communicate with the mink and ask
    TO BE or NOT TO BE? the answer would be YOU GET AWAY FROM ME because I choose to be.
    I know we are on opposite sides but maybe some little truth I indicated will open the door to the others point of view.!

  213. There’s no merit is attacking people you don’t even know. I am a writer who has researched the fur trade and animal-rights campaigning for more than 30 years. Is that what you call “a troll”?? (I also have graduate degrees, dear Helen, but whatever….) I can understand that if you have only seen activist sites you would feel hostility about the fur trade. For a different point of view, visit: http://www.TruthAboutFur.com.

  214. Ex-trappers say they don’t report non-targeted animals accurately. They say that out of 3 kills, about 2 are non-targets. That is logical, since traps do not discriminate. They have no eyes.

  216. We all have opinions, some opinions come from wanting what we don’t have, an non animal use world, well Skeezer that will probably never happen no matter how much you insult those that don’t agree with you. you would be on the winning side if you opened your mind set to providing your comments toward ANIMAL WELFARE. That is what this world needs, a little more caring for all creatures, My children have rights, everyone has rights, all animals deserve to be treated with caring welfare. I have an opinion also and in the case of a fire raging my Neighbors home, my neighbor has the right to be saved first, hopefully we’ll have enough time to save kitty as well. As long as the Marketplace calls for FUR fur will exist, and animals will be taken anyway, so you see your efforts are not bringing strong results, because aside from fur bearers 99 times more animals need to be looked after, fur is such a small portion of animal usage. REGARDS AND GOOD LUCK WHEN YOU REACH THE FORK ON YOUR ROAD.

  217. There are just a lot of misinformation put out by commercial interests. Beware that they like to bring up the Inuits which is just a red herring. Overwhelming majority of seal hunters in Canada are commercial fishermen, who earn only 5% of their income from seal hunting. They don’t need seal hunting to make a living. Inuits are always a special case. They will always be able to hunt seals, just like they can hunt whales now although commercial fishermen can no longer do so.

    Seal hunting is also far from humane. Multiple reports show that seals were skinned alive while fully conscious in 42 to 66% of the time. In
    2007, an international panel of veterinary and zoology experts studied
    the commercial seal hunt. Their report detailed a widespread disregard
    for regulations by Canadian sealers, a failure to monitor the seal hunt
    by Canadian authorities, high wounding rates in seals that were shot or
    clubbed, wounded seals left to suffer for protracted periods of time,
    and sealers failing to ensure animals were dead in 66 percent of cases.
    The report concluded that both clubbing and shooting of seals should be
    considered unacceptable. In 2001, an independent veterinary panel
    performed post-mortems on seal carcasses abandoned on the ice floes. The
    report concluded that in 42 percent of cases, the seals did not show
    enough evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at
    the time of skinning. These reports are supported by the testimony of
    independent journalists, parliamentarians and scientists who observe and
    document the commercial seal hunt each year. Footage from the
    commercial seal hunt consistently shows conscious pups stabbed with
    boathooks and dragged across the ice, wounded pups left to choke on
    their own blood and conscious seal pups cut open.

    So what you are told may not be what it is.

    Commercial interests pay lobbyists to spread lies about anybody who are in their way, from physicians who cite studies showing meat and dairy cause cancer, to animal advocates who simply try to spread the truth. I am not associated with anybody who like to release mink from fur farms, nor support such action either. Such occurrences are few and far between. Yet commercial interests put out trolls everywhere to say that anybody who cares about animals do such thing.

    Trapping was a tradition in Canada. But traditions are not necessarily good. Eating meat and dairy is a tradition in my family, as in many families. But after I became a vegan a few years ago (after learning that the way we raise farm animals nowadays are much much more cruel than before), all my ailments were simply gone. I no longer have acid reflux, irritable bowel movement, nor my AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE rheumatoid arthritis!! Naturally I was ecstatic. With a master’s degree in biomedical engineering, I started reading through all the medical journals, and found that all the scientific data are out there showing that meat and dairy is the culprit of cancer, heart disease, erectile dysfunction, diabetes, osteoporosis and bone loss, arthritis… the list goes on (see links to scientific studies way below). The reason is not only due to the antibiotics and chemicals in meat and dairy. It turned out that animal protein itself is “just as bad for us as smoking”, according to studies:
    http://bit.ly/1eVWOhI

    So I asked myself – how come these info didn’t get out? If I had
    known about this before, my Mom who died of cancer, and my Dad who
    suffered so much in his final years from osteoporosis would probably
    still be alive. They would have simply changed to vegan diet, which is
    what physicians are told to recommend to patients these days:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjklRZ1ctQ

    It turned out that even back in the 50s, when there was an initial spike in
    cancer and heart disease rate in the US, there was a congressional
    study to find out why. Scientific studies clearly pointed to MEAT and DAIRY BEING THE CULPRIT! But guess what? Politicians even back then were pressured by meat and dairy industry, and they changed the report! They blamed FAT instead, which of course is a lie. Fact is that our bodies need fat, vegetable fat, in order to function properly. That lie had spawned the low fat craze which has lasted even today.

    That was a rude awakening for me. From then on, I no longer trust official information or any information really, without digging deeper myself. That’s how I get to know about seal hunting and so forth.

    If you are interested, the following are lots of scientific studies about meat and dairy causing all kinds of illnesses. If you want more, I can provide more. By the way, I am very sorry hearing about your son. My best wishes to you and your family.

    Animal products linked to cancer:
    http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/animal-products-linked-to-cancer

    Meat consumption strongly correlates with cancer:
    http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

    Red meat increases risk of heart disease and cancer:
    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/red-meat-raises-red-flags/

    Red meat and milk triggers toxic immune reaction which cause cancer:http://m.utsandiego.com/news/2014/dec/29/red-meat-cancer-varki-neu5Gc-sialic/

    Animal protein increases risk of heart attack. Plant protein significantly decrease risk of heart attack:
    http://nutritionfacts.org/video/protein-and-heart-disease/

    Vegan diet reverses heart disease:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/424060-vegetarian-diet-to-reverse-heart-disease/

    Animal protein increases risk of diabetes:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797984/

    Meat increases risk of osteoporosis and bone loss:

    http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1996/11/eating-less-meat-may-help-reduce-osteoporosis-risk

    Meat increases risk of arthritis:

    http://arthritis-research.com/content/9/1/R16

    Plant-based diet cures erectile dysfunction:http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/erectile-dysfunction

  218. I am as independent as it gets, and search for truth from all sides myself. I know that commercial interests have hired ‘Dr Evil’ to put out all kinds of misinformation as well as to make up stories to discredit animal rights folks, physicians who dare to say sugar is bad for kids, etc. No matter how people spin it, people can see it with their own eyes how cruel fur really is.

    Meet Dr. Evil:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/meet-dr-evil/

  219. Please read my response to you just now on another thread. I have provided some valuable info about cancer that you may be interested.

  220. Actually the BMP tests were done in the field using trappers and DNR biologists in the checking of said traps Helen. The biologists recorded any animal trapped , the length of time the trap was set and whether the animal caught was targeted. That was the scientific purpose of doing Best Management Practice trapping (BMP) . Those trappers you have been talking to have PETA smell all over them. and BMP studies done by State & Provincial DNR folk show that your info is not reliable.

  221. Thank you for the information,but there is a heck of a lot more misinformation being put out there by animal rights groups, as a matter of fact what you start your reply with allows me to know that you might be an important spreader of this propaganda. a KING PIN actually. The Inuit way of life is not a red Herring, their life is a constant battle and you seem to belittle that. I respect the fact that your beliefs are (to you) true , but what I see is a smart human that glosses over others’ beliefs. Thank you for sharing your families’ story and I am glad to know they lived a relatively long life. Oliver was diagnosed at a very Young age and never had an opportunity though he lived a very healthy lifestyle.This discussion started because you and few others are blinded with rage if fur is promoted that fur is beautiful and warm beaver so let us discuss the BEAVER, and please don’t belittle that as well. Beaver are momogamous, they have litters of 5 cubs each spring and can overpopulate rather quickly (math not difficult) nature has an effective method of controlling this, unsufficienta disease known as TULARAMIA that will take all the beaver in situations where food supply has been reduced to unsufficient levels,YES ALL’MUST DIE, natures’ reason is quite cruel but necessary to allow the regeneration of the forest,yep no beaver chewing at a sapling for 25 to 50 years.
    Now don’t gloss over this as well because while we ride in our electric elevators the forest dwellers trudge in winters’ frost to bring home the tribes’food supply, and why should (as the inuit)the pelt be destroyed???
    Must I go on?? is there nothing about fur that you find acceptable? I’ll admit neither you nor I have any interest in the others’ sites but I promise to visit your suggestions when I have proof you visited TRUTH ABOUT FUR Regards

  223. thanks Canadianskeezix! What he doesn’t realize is my point exactly – alot of the “fur trim” he sees is “faux fur trim” – yeah!

  224. So happy to see fur back on the scene. I have a few beautiful Canadian produced pieces made from fur obtained from Canadian farmers and trappers. Love this. Now to revoke the unfair demonization of the seal hunt.

  225. Ordinary persons we all are !each and every fur firm is run by families, small firms , don’T spread untruths , it is not becoming of you,

  226. You have misunderstood my comment about the Inuits. What I meant was that I agree with you that the Inuits need to survive on hunting seals. But there is never a danger of them not being able to do so. Because even if there is a ban on hunting seals in Canada, the Inuits would be exempt from the ban. But the majority of seal hunters are commercial fishermen. And they don’t need to hunt seals to survive. Seal hunting only make up 5% of their income. So for people bringing up the Inuits as argument that Canada should allow seal hunting for commercial fishermen is a red herring.

    Think of me what you may, Terry. I am a real person on Quora, Linked-in, etc. I have nothing to hide. I consider my good deed done for today by spreading the truth that I found out to be. I can only lead the horse to the water. The rest is up to you.

    The following is more info about beavers if you are interested. “Beavers rarely overpopulate because they breed only once a year…”
    http://www.beaversww.org/beavers-and-wetlands/about-beavers/

  227. The best you can do to wiggle out of a Canadian truth discussion is take me SCOTLAND? Silly girl, visit TRUTH ABOUT FUR

  228. Have you never heard of beaver meadows, nice term meant to describe multiple beaver deaths due to starvation and suffering? Are you denying TULARAMIA exists? Are you calling me a liar? Well I am not that stupid! Everything I have written is fact! You never acknowledge the fact that the INUIT have lost their seal pelt MARKET due to mean spirits like yourself disguised as caring bleeding hearts. Think of me what you may but I only speak the truth! I never try to switch from the focused subject, I am not a vegan and I am happy to enjoy a nice cut of meat on occasion, and I feel badly for those who deprive themselves, but to stay on subject and not meander to where you want to go to avoid responding directly to my points. the subject is a BEAVER FUR seen in a popular magazine. WHY IS THIS NOT THE ANTIS FOCUS? WHY ARE YOU AND THE OTHER ANTIS FOCUSING ON THE MINK FARM?? LET US DISCUSS ONE ISSUE AT A TIME. Two truths come to the forefront 1) anti fur folk rage at the fact someone is proving them wrong, and promoting the ethics of fur. 2) You and the other ragers refuse to be enlightened by visiting TRUTH ABOUT FUR

  229. Yes someone in Scotland wants to introduce the Scots to Beaver! I suppose he has no idea of the devastation done to parts of Argentina where the BEAVER was transplanted. Perhaps the Scots would be smart enough to ENGINEER an ANTI REJECTION DRUG!Some people never learn from others’ errors. Would you be in need of a Mirror?

  230. Beaver may breed once a year but remain coupled for life, and each year they give life to an average of three cubs, that repeat what is natural to beaver, if you would look up Canadian beaver perhaps you could feel guilty about spreading untruths! You may fool many innocents pretending to be JUST A LITTLE PERSON but I am not as gullible my little KINGPIN. Please do not answer unless you are ready to be honest! Your GREEN internet pal!

  231. I can give UTUBE a click and find all kinds of photo-shopped claims about many things from how the US blew up the Twin Towers as an inside job to how Freddie Kruger murder spree took place or how bird heads look on a dogs body. None of them should be believed but their are factions of gullible humans who fall into the “they have to ban Bonsai Kitten ” production.

  232. Study from St. Mathews Island where Reindeer were placed and since they had no predation there. The results were catastrophic & cruel as the few reindeer became many and then starved to death.
    A read that PETA hates to see the general public get their hands on & very important in describing how boom & bust can cause extinction . http://dieoff.org/page80.htm

  233. Ask Helen what her friend fed his dog and see her squirm or maybe just maybe she’ll be honest and reply MEAT, because that is what is best for carnivores like us and woof woof who travelledvery far from his home!! Perhaps his owner is guilty of not restraining his dog! Regards

  234. Dogs would eat another dog if someone put a platter choice of rice or dead dog in front of them. Good solid dog owners break their dog to leash & they never allow them to roam free of that leash when in territory that could have free roaming wild animals. Allowing free rein is a great methodology of getting rabies, hunted by bobcats, coyotes, wolves , bears cougars or distemper and other contagious diseases .

  235. If found guilty he should be punished , indeed he should be charged and if found guilty. punished accordingly. This of course is not the norm fur ranchers adhere to, and in cases like this antis and pros should agree. However it would be wrong to punish other ranchers who do a proper job. The best example I can think of right now is traffic violators. Some are repeat offenders, either stupid speeders or alchoholics at the Wheel, well, they should be dealt with and punished according to the severity of their crime. Agreed? Then we might also agree that to deny others the privelege of driving would be absurd, stupid and incomprehensible,. Is that not what you are proposing?

  236. The majority of pet owners treat animals like they are as important as family members . Yet a minute number do not. Should we punish all pet owners and slander them because some animal owners broke laws of Animal Welfare. Obviously not.

  237. Probably your coat came from the TAR SANDS , and probably you wear leather shoes and belts, and why not nothing is a better fabric for shoes than leather which is a fur with the hair removed! Stop promoting plastics which are ruining our seas our lands and acids that ruin our once pristine lakes and rivers. Time to Wake up!

  239. Assholes are vital to life , you seem unimportant to the human race! Empty vapid opinions mean zero to science , keep up with the plastic generation and we will all die sooner foolish girl!

  244. The truth hurts least and quickly goes away. The pollution FAUX everything you wear damages the land and the waters and that includes the pesticides used to grow your meatless foods also! Please think logically By the way assholes are a very useful thing to have, FAUX is not!

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