Prostitution in Canada: now even more legal!
Dominatrices and sex workers were delighted today as a Toronto judge ruled to strike down Canada’s Criminal Code provisions dealing with prostitution. As reported by the Star, justice Susan Himel of Ontario’s Superior Court of Justice ruled that Canada’s anti-prostitution laws were contrary to the values of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The Star reports:
A Toronto judge has struck down Canada’s prostitution laws, effectively decriminalizing activities associated with the world’s oldest trade.
“These laws, individually and together, force prostitutes to choose between their liberty interest and their right to security of the person as protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms,” Justice Susan Himel of Ontario’s Superior Court of Justice said in Tuesday’s landmark decision.
The story of this case, launched over a year ago by dominatrix Teri-Jean Bedford along with prostitutes Valerie Scott and Amy Lebovitch, is not over yet. Judge Himel has imposed a 30-day stay on the decision to give lawyers and others a chance to voice their opinions. The Star goes on to say that Rona Ambrose, the federal Conservative minister for status of women, is reportedly “very concerned” about the decision and is considering an appeal.
Most notably, the consensual act of exchanging money for sex has never been illegal in Canada. The sections of the Criminal Code struck down had to do with communication for the purposes of prostitution, living off of the sex trade, and the keeping of a “common bawdy house.” In other words, it was OK to pay for sex if one did so while wearing earplugs, a blindfold and a gag (wait—why was the dominatrix concerned?).
It’s about time!! I’m so disappointed that the association using the acronym REAL women is against this. I am a woman, and their views do not represent mine. I like the fact that women in the trade of prostitution are guaranteed their security like any other Canadian. It is not my place to judge why they do what they do, however, they are entitled to the same rights as the rest of us.
If this holds through Toronto will be the next Thailand… We’ll be seeing a lot more prostitutes on the streets of downtown.. We might as well create a Red Light District
Prostitution IS EXIST in Toronto. Adds in newspapers, massage parlores, strip clubs… At least they can start paying taxes, not paying to pimps and those who protect them
While I agree that people should have the freedom to do whatever they want, I do not believe that prostitution is such a cut and dry case. If a woman chooses to charge fees for her part in a sexual act, yes that is her choice. But what of the countless women forced into prostitution not by their own choice? I strongly believe that laws prohibiting the communication of and dependance on prostitution are there to protect those who are unwillingly taking part in sex trade in our country. With the current laws, it gives authorities proper reason to arrest, and therefore the opportunity to investigate whether or not the woman (or man) is selling their body under their own free will.
Yes, however, that falls under the laws of Human Trafficking. Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world – and it is not going to go away. I think if this law is good for sex trade workers, which they have fought for is a huge triumph – and it is moving in the right direction. If it is legal – they are the afforded the rights of protection without threat or fear of legal retaliation. Bringing it out in the open, benefits sex trade workers, would generate tax dollars, and help protect them from the pimps and the dark world where it is hidden out of site. By hiding the fact that it exists hinders them and their safety. By excluding as a chargeable offense – there is no need for the pimps, biker gangs etc., etc., that profit off the backs of these women and men.
Instead of publishing pictures of domanatrixes and Amersterdam-esque pictures, which is one aspect of sex work, why not focus on the marganilized women who have been pushed into the alleys and endangered by the criminilization of prostitution? The women of Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside, or Saskatoon’s stroll. These are the women who are going to benefit the most from this. They will be cushioned a bit more by not being cashed into dark alleyways and further victimized. Your images are merely feeding to the masses, playing up the “kinky and depraivety” which most people are already viewing this with, and not focusing on women’s safety and autonomy. Why not do that?
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Who is this guy? Is he for real? Anyhow, I don’t approve of prostitution, but if it will help them in the long run, then maybe it’s a good thing. I agree with Allan’s comment.
Open prostitution, multiple wives, underage sex, selective (i.e., female) abortion, etc., all the unforeseen contradictions that result when a country turns its back on common sense and common decency. Canada stepped into these legal-social quagmires the day it legalized abortion and irrevocably cut the tie between sex and procreation. And it’s only going to get worse. Enjoy!
All the Johns out there will be coming out in full force for this lustful license. Homes and marriages will be destroyed, STD will be the number one Health department job.
If this must be allowed, Better Business Bereau will have to know “exactly” what serice is been provided, ow and what determines if you are satisfied “customer” what are return policy, at what service is tax imposed, legal names of customers with receipts issued, provision of payment plan for “Johns” and a whole lot of hell breaking loose!!!
This is very easy:
1. Parliament should approve exactly the request of the Judge with the following conditions:
a. Tax packages for what ever package is bought
b. Legal names of the Johns visiting
c. Requirement for any John buying the service for STD checks
d. The Johns medical doctor must be informed of the visits directly from the Bawdy house, otherwise licence must be revoked
e. Since government is liable for allowing the service, the spouse of all Johns must be notified of the visits to disclaim an event of STD tramsmission to spouse
f. The medical premium of all Johns MUST be increased
g. The Bawdy house must be placed in the middle of the city where every eye can see who goes in and comes out.
h. Any prostitute found using a non govt approved location (like residential home) for the service must get a jail time.
i. Mandatory STD checks for all Prostitutes
These will shut them up forever as it is standard business practice.
It’s about time!!!
These ladies of ‘the game’ can finally do their thing with out being worried about getting a criminal record for just being human! There are two sexes for more then just populating the planet! We all know our world is already overpopulated. Sex is proven to relieve stress and for most folks is enjoyable. We are in a severe economic time in our countries history. Most women involved in
‘the game’ are just trying to make a buck with a buck!
Now we can regulate the trade by making std checks mandatory on a regular basis,and to the governments delight, be made taxable for both the ‘John, and his ‘date.’ Let the cops stop wasting time busting women and men who want to share their busts among other things, and crack down on the real criminals in society.
RE: Hard drug dealers, theives, etc…
Post note to previous comment by Jade69ca:
For those of you who commented and will comment on the ‘pimps.’ Any one in Canada who is in ‘the trade’ knows that pimps only exist in the movies. I have been involved with ‘game players/sex trade workers,’ on both street level and high priced ‘sex trade workers’ for over 25 years, and all accross Canada from East Coast, to West Coast, and in between. Not once have I ever been approached by any one demanding that I work for them and must pay them to protect me. That is hogwash. People who comment on the pimp issue are sadly very uneducated on the actual goings on of prostitutes, both female and male. Paying a pimp? Pimps don’t exist! It is laughable that people actually believe that. If any person claiming to be forced to work and give them a cut, would get their butts kicked with my 6″ stilletoes! Pimps, ha, ha, ha! It is std’s that are the problem. Not pimps. Now we can hopefully work on a governed way to make any ‘players’ join a registry and have proof of being std free on a regular basis. This is a win, win, situation for everyone!
I read an article yesterday where someone said due to this prostitution law, Toronto will be come a sin city. Well what do you think it is now with all the casinos. As far as I am concerned, I demand to see all gambling establishments closed down before anyone attempts to reverse this law.
So long as the prostitution is consentual and taxes are paid, I see nothing wrong with it. Gives the pretty and uneducated a profession rather than going on welfare and living off my dime.
I noticed a couple religiously biased comments. As far as I am concerned, the church pays no taxes, therefore, the church should have no say.
Tell ya what, when all clergy stop messing around with Choir boys and young parishioners, we’ll get rid of prostitution. Until then shut up, keep paying your hush money and playing hide the dirty priest from the authorities.
Hallelujah!!
it’s every adults right to do what they WANT to do for themselves, be it getting off or getting someone else off as an act of benevolence albeit for money too.
Hopefully these woman can band together and rid themselves of pimps and mafia.
Prostitution is morally no different then what gold diggers do marrying rich guys for their money. Now cops can spend more time chasing after real criminals rather then consenting adults who aren’t conforming to a specific moral code. Prostitution is going to happen anyway whether it’s legal or not. Atleast this way women in the trade are safer. Toronto is not going to be the next Thailand or Amsterdam. That’s just a scare tactic that conservatives and people are who anti prostitution are using.
prostitution is the oldest profession, it will continue to be here as long as men and women exist. Legalizing it is a very good idea. It keeps the women safer and they dont have to hide. It doesn’t ruin marriages or relationships, thats a bunch crap. I think gambling does more harm than prostitution..casinos, lottery etc. this affects both men and women and i know from experience it’s ruining marriages and they lose thier homes as well..but yet it ok and legal to gamble..gambling is very addictive..prostitution isn’t. nobody hurting anybody, just releasing stress and having some fun in doing so. We spend too much time and money to get rid of prostitution, something that will always be here..spend time and money on drug dealers and crooks and generally the crinimal element out there. Wake up Toronto and all those people who are so narrow minded and think they are more proper than these women who need to make a living..shame on you..get a life!!
You have to ask yourself why do some people believe the act of sex is something sacred. If you remove the taboo implications around sex, usually imposed by religious folk, prostitution is simply giving of yourself to someone else for money. What is any different between that and busting your ass for a company 40+ hours a week for minimum wage. Or devoting yourself to a company for years, only to get the shaft cause some executive decided to save the shareholders 5 cents a share. Or working for a company for 40+ years and finding out that that pension and/or healthcare they promised you when you were hired is dried up.
If you remove the connotations around sex, we are all prostitutes and the companys we work for the johns. Only difference is, the prostitutes are smart and actually get a fair pay for their time and there is no dilusion up front, they know they are gonna get screwed in the end.
Will the consumer protection act now cover Johns? What guarantees will prostitutes have to provide? Will they be rated by the Better Business Bureau? What training will be required for prostitutes, what will their code of ethics be? What will their professional association fees and licensing fees be?
It not just so simple as to say “now it’s a legitimate business”? There’s a whole can of worms that opens up with the declaration that it’s legal. Once sex trade workers start having to meet the rules, regulations and demands of a regular business, I wonder how many will be cheering for this ruling then?
I wouldn’t mind seeing Rona, in a window, dressed like that.
when you get a hair cut do you get a receipt? When you tip a waitress in a bar do you get a receipt? Does the customer give thier name on every purchase of groceries etc.? Just another business and taxable on what revenue is declared. Enact zoning laws and leave them alone. The business will continue till the end of time as it has been since the beginning of time. Does anybody remember the results prohibition? How many people do you know who smoke pot? You can’t stop it, you can only regulate it.
u know wat canada is the stupidiest country in the world why in the hell would u legaize prostitusion. we dont need these ladies on street. There asses need to get a goddam proper job that doesnt invole them selling them self for money, yeah we r having problems now because of the ression but that doesnt mean u should go out fuck dudes for money that shit is plain wrong. now when i say canada is the stupidiest country in the world i mean really stupid because canada never does anything on there own. now US is bad country but im starting think that the US is better then canada Because at least they made it illegal over there. u seen canadas biggest problem is that if the US does it one way The Canadians do it the other way. now its a illegal in the US for prostitution but now in canada it is not.
Wow! I’m not sure who you think you are kidding saying there are no pimps accoss Canada. Many vulnerable young women by choice or chance end up with a pimp taking their money and kicking their ass. Unfortunately the pimps are able to “get in the game” because working women are socially outcasted and a pimp will “love” them anyway and tell them that it’s okay. They offer protection not from tricks but society. Only when prostitution is legalized and women can hold their heads high and not have to hide and lie about their professions or be made to feel ashamed, will pimps be unneccessary and unwanted by working girls.
Unfortunately I have to disagree with the idea that pimps don`t exist.Being involved in a sex trade for over 8 years I can say that they do exist.It is not your average canadian girls who is their victims.It is asian who involved in a human trade and bring girls here on so called “contact“ where they have to pay them back for a year or more before they can start making money,so is the eastern european.Being in a situation like this will not make you speak up of fear getting deported,charged with criminal offence.So it was quite a few escort agencies back 4-5 years ago when girls were working on this “contract“ terms.And some of their clientelle knew about it as well and do nothing about it.Why?Because nobody wants to get into this.This law 100 % percent benefits women in a industry.Those who walk on the streets and the one who doing it privately.Nothing else has changed,the bussines gets done behind close doors as it always was and will stay that way.Please people get real,just because law has changed does not mean it will be Sodom and Gomorra will be unleashed in Toronto.Nothing will change except more security for women wich is great.Now about tax,who would want to put on they resume or source of income-prostitute?Right,noone.STD check as mandatory would be great especially on the clientelle side because any girl who cares about her own health would check herself at least every 3 months but johnes a lot more irresponsible that way.But how would you regulate it and make sure it is done?Only by agencies and spas owners who will have to ensure “quality control“for the workers and vice versa.
Praise for that common sense judge. I agree with Jade69ca. There are no pimps. There are girls who work for agencies who are controlled by bikers, but they are not directly involved with them as pimps, except to supply them with drugs.
And that the drugs are the real curse; not sex. Without sex workers there would be an sure increase in rape, because our sexual drive needs to be satisfied. Sex is equally important than food and water.
now that prostitution is more legal i think we should legalize everything!! since same sex marriage is we might as well legalize pedophilia, beastiality, and incest. if me and my sister love each other and fall in love, whos to stop us. and what if my sexual needs arnt being met but i have a pet dog, would i really have to get the dogs consent? naaa
and so what if i like 9 year old girls? we already got 12 year old girls trying to look good and experimenting with sex already. at least we should lower the legal age to have sex from 16 to 12 cuz theyre already doing it. i like my sister shes pretty good looking for 11 so if they did that i would only have to wait a year. speaking of my sister, why cant we get married if we want to? whats the reason for that?
anyway, it wont be to long b4 i can legally do all that, so in the mean time i guess ill just have to wait :(
but at least i can legally cheat on my girlfriend :) and my boyfriend, at least i think hes a guy
and who needs morals anyway? HAA, i have the right to do what i want
the world isnt morally degrading! people are just gaining more rights thats all
so now its legally easier to get an STD :D oh wait im sorry its politically correct to call it an STI :P my bad.
let me ask you, do you think that all of the above things i sarcastically said should be legalized will be? if so, why?
KayCee,
REAL Women of Canada, is an association.
They are not refering to real women in general.
the whole point of all this is to keep it off the streets and having a certain part of town the place to get whores.. its like knowing where the strip club is.. its one of the oldest trades in the world i dont anything bad coming with this cept more american travelers… so more of a win win this should happen and some people just need to deal with it
What about the dudes? I may or may not make 2-300 a night with women. How come all this nonsense is only applicable to women? Is it so taboo that a man could be doing the same thing?
some very ignorant person said below: “Open prostitution, multiple wives, underage sex, selective (i.e., female) abortion, etc., all the unforeseen contradictions that result when a country turns its back on common sense and common decency… ”
this is a slippery slope fallacy. and even if it were an accurate prediction, I cant see how any of the above would be a threat to you or anyone.
1) kids are having sex now. legalized prostitution still requires some regulation. and we already have laws protecting children from sexual abuse and exploitation.
2) multiple marriages is also a seperate issue from prostitution. we dont get the right to say how can get married, how many times a person can get married and divorced, how can get divorced or what couples can do in the privacy of their bed room. probably the most thing to consider is the fact that we dont get dictate how many sexual partners a person can have (at once) out of wedlock. why should that change now in regards to how many wives/husbands a person can have?
3) I’ve never seen a person argue that legalized abortion can lead to prostitution but its sure entertaining to see someone argue the opposite. if you dont want an abortion, dont have one. better yet, lean to MYOB when it comes to issues that dont impact how you can choose to live your life.
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It dozen make any since that a woman that loves to have sex cant get paid for it. But they can do it for free with anyone and be a bar slut every night or a porn star. If it wasn’t for sex worker there would be more rapes and more men wouldn’t stay married. The benefits of having sex for money or paying for it is good for everyone, as long as their safe about it. 80% of men in the world have been with a sex worker, but some wont admit it. For men that are married or in a relationship it gets boring for them after awhile. Men need a change once in a while, to help their at home relationship and to make them feel good about themselves being a man. Having sex in a relationship is like having the same favorite meal everyday, you eventually get sick of it. You switch to something different and when you go back to you favorite meal it taste so good again. All men know this thats why all men cheet.
Most sex workers are safe when it comes to condoms and fluids being transferred. Some are not, mostly the one’s that are on Drugs and don’t care or the one’s that are new to the business that don’t know any better.
I strongly feel that it should be mandatory for new sex workers to take a course on safe sex and drugs. Some have there pimps/boyfriends that help them by telling them how to conduct business in a clean, safe manner. I strongly feel that sex workers need pimps or boyfriends to keep them from falling in to drugs or being tricked by johns in anyway, reminding them all the time to be safe and not to drink or do drugs with the johns. Most sex workers that don’t have them are more likely to turn to drugs and have unsafe sex with johns. Because sex workers don’t have anybody to trust or to go home to. Seeing johns every day and having no man or anyone by your side can make any sex worker eventually get lost in to the johns that they see, believing all the lies that come out of there mouths and start doing things unsafely. That’s why sex workers have a bad name today. No Management.
There are good pimps and there are bad one’s. The good one’s are mostly their boyfriends, that take good care of them and have them working inside in a safe environment. Some bad Pimps are the one’s that have them out on the streets and claim a territory. Only some of them treat them like shit, mostly the ones that sell drugs they don’t care about them and only want the money. Selling drug is like murdering someone slowly. Your f*cking somebody’s life up to the point where they will never be the same.
I strongly believe prostitution should be legalized and regulated. Sex Workers should be allowed to have good pimps (management) and bodyguards to take care of them and workers should have to take a course on how to work safely. This would make the sex industry more safe for both johns and workers. Being the oldest profession in the world, that will always be around they may as well make it safe. Remember Jesus’s best friend was a prostitute, some say it was his wife.
I believe that accepting prostitution on the streets of toronto is a crazy idea, I’m familiar with the adult enterainment industry and im sure legalising prostition will better no one. Sure the girls will be safe and free of charges but this also has an affect on our younger generation…leading youge girls to believe this is a ok thing to participate in scince the goverment supports it!!!!!! Prostution leads to drugs, pimps and diseaes…this thing will not decrease by use accepting prostution on the streets of torotno but it will increas these problems.
even though i don’t use the service i completly support its legalization , heres a few things the you may have not took into account , Government controled brothels with girls who are are reguired to take monthly health exams (and post them on the wall) will drasticly lower the disease spread and the street hookers will be almost not exist ( like in Germany)…its also well known that street prositution is the number 1 sorce of income for the illigal drug trade ( that i don’t support) …legal brothels are not only a huge profit for local governments and keep the girls safe/clean with a good income , but could deal a serious blow to orginized crime in this country (ie durgs) , and not just in our country but the borders towns of Mexico with mass murders over drug trade conrtol …( hint that problem exists because of the market we created in this country and the US …legal prositution will have positive results north america wide …more so then many may think
even if the government is controlling brothels it wont have any positive results. the government also controls the distribution of alcohol and cigarettes and makes Billions off it. but do those products really do any good for the people? No. sure if alcohol and cigarettes were suddenly illegal it would still exist but it would go underground and not be as common. Legalizing prostitution will only increase the prevalence of it.
some very ignorant person said,
“If it wasn’t for sex worker there would be more rapes and more men wouldn’t stay married.”
first of all, instead of legalizing prostitution to very slightly reduce rape, something should be done to stop it. and its not true that men stay married because we get to sleep with a hooker, i dont know where you got that from. if hes gonna cheet on you hes not worth keeping.
“80% of men in the world have been with a sex worker”
its definetly not 80%, you should do more research before coming up with that number. I couldnt see it being that high even in Toronto. if that was the case their would be alot more STDs around.
“For men that are married or in a relationship it gets boring for them after awhile. Men need a change once in a while, to help their at home relationship and to make them feel good about themselves being a man.”
I like my girlfriend and id rather show myself off to her instead of some hooker whos been with who knows how many 100 guys. and how exactly would sleeping with a hooker make me feel good about myself?
Amen! haha.
This is one thing people tend to forget, prostitutes are people too. When you get up in the morning and you go to work would you like to have cops breathing down your neck. Maybe some poeple enjoy this work enviroment, others do it because they are in a situation of despair, and who says they are uneducated?… you have no idea what your peers and neighbours and co workers go through, what their lives are like, what if one of your co workers cannot make ends meet and this is the only way to them to be able to live. who are we to say what they can or cannot do. We talk about them like they are the scum of the earth. Why? who says they are. who says this is wrong? you say sex is suppose to be for reproduction .. okay? then doesnt marriage go against that? us humans we are made to reproduce… true, which means we are made to mate with more then one person…
I am going to extremes you might say, well goes to prove how your arguments do not hold up.
Its about time that we question our society because society is the reason why prejudice and unfairness start in the first place. We are all equal unless we hurt people. The only thing wrong is that fact exactly, that prostitution is frowned upon therefor it is not protected, that is when people get hurt not only mentaly but phisicly, if laws are allowing this to be, then the police can stop going against it and can start protecting it.
Dont you people want to have a peacefull enviroment?
You say that if we ligalise this, things will get worse? No… no matter what you do, pedophiles will always be pedophiles, thiefs will always be thiefs,things will always be the same whether this is legal or not.except that it could now be monotored.
When you walk down a street, have you ever seen someone that doesnt look exactly like you, eyes, mouth, hands, a heart. we all have feelings, which makes us all the same.
Who are we to say that the lady on the street doesnt have the right to be human, doesnt have to right to have rights.
SAying that and wishing this upon people makes you just as bad if not worse. Put yourself in their shoes for once. see how you feel.
You say you want to get rid or poverty, prostitution, racism, prejudice, stereotypes, well this is how you do it. by putting rules that go against peoples rights of expression and freedom, you only create a division in poeple instead of making us a team. STOP judging, it is not up to us to judge.
Think about youself. and what can you do to make the world better. and its deffinatly not by exlcuding people that this will help. your only making the viscious cycle worse, and you become an accomplice.
IT WOULDN’T BE FAIR IF A MAN DID NOT PAY the more sensuous gender for a sexual favor or service because any and all sexual contact between a man and a woman CANNOT BE EQUAL, so automatically men WILL BE IN DEBT TO HER and should be allowed by law to pay what he owes. Women have an advantage over men because they can easily find another female where ITS ALWAYS AN EQUAL EXCHANGE without having to pay each other, but men DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME ADVANTAGE because they are NOT senuous and women do not need intercourse like men do.
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THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL when Canada says its legal to prostitute but you cannot use a house to prostitute in? If its legal to proststute then its no one G D business as to which house she does it in. ITS ABOUT TIME NEIGBORS AND GOVERNMENT MIND THEIR OWN F’ING BUSINESS.
response to jan
“80% of men have been with a sex worker is a high number even for Toronto ” ..don’t think you could have been anymore nieve and narrow minded in that comment , are you getting your numbers from a textbook or webforum ? …cause that has to be correct right? ..most men who have been with a sex worker don’t admit it to anyone let alone someone collecting statistics , and seeing as the sex trade is legal in many countrys now i willing to bet that number is higher ( try to think of the world as whole not just canada)…legal sex trade countrys such as Germany and the Netherlands have proved that legalization works, benifets in the general health and agenst crime , many dutch women who attend university pay there way by working in brothels , some of these women are accomplished Doctors and scientists
(the hookers that have been with 100s of guys like you said )…hint sex is a natural act that our bodies are desinged for
i think you need to close the textbook and hop on a streetcar down to queen and parlament st….go for a walk in the park and sit in the coffee shop for a while …and see first hand how these poor women addicted to drugs have sell there bodies to orginized crime , we can end this with legalization ……and while your there try to keep in mind people in other counrtys are getting killed daily over the sex trade funded drug market that exists on that street corner, i know i would be asking alot for anyone in north america period to care about what the choices of ourselfs do to people in other countrys….sorry mexico
Does anybody know the recent status about this ongoing issue?
Did the govt. make any final verdict on the legalization of prostitution in Canada? Why the “Erotic Services” category has been removed from the craigslist.org website?
your all idiots hoes are nothing without a pimp
Now prostitution is gonna seem like some type of “job” to young girls, and selling yourself to men every night is NOT a profession I think young women should look upon as “acceptable work”. I agree with Tryon. The government has turned its back on common sense and decency.
I hate this phrase of “it’s the oldest profession in history” have we not evolved past this. You’ll note we’ve done all of the follwing in history:
-tortured, and raped natives
-enslaved African American
-threw people in pit of lions if they did not have the same religious beliefs
-pit men agains men in battles to the death
Shall we revive all of these as well. THis would be a giant step back for women. As if it’s not hard enough already trying to be equal now you want to give men the right to see women as nothing other than sex objects. WOMEN PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR YOURSELVES! YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS AND YOU CAN BE BETTER THAN THIS. Please for the good of women everywhere. And no I am not some elderly lady that think women should still curtsy. I am a 26 year old women in a mans world.
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Actually, you will see a lot less prostitution if it becomes legalized and brotheled for the health of the workers and for the safety of the public (children do not need to be exposed to sex anywhere, especially on their way to school). Legalization is the answer if the question is, how can Canada protect it’s marginalized, clean up street solicitation, and create taxable revenue from history’s oldest profession?
Right I have just come back to Canada after living in the uk for10 years. Everything I have been able to find about this law tells me about what was passed in the Toronto courts on september 28 2010. But I also read that there was a 30 day period for the lawyers to present more evidence but I can’t find out anything about after the 30 days. Has there been any new laws passed? Is it now legal? Can anyone tell me please?
Prostitution,,, for centuries mankind has been trying to make the sale of sex illegal. what a Joke .. this has been going on since before Christ was in diapers. Enough allready .. those that want to have sex for money, for what ever reason are going to find a way to do it, legalize it across canada!!! Then the government will be able to tax the “wages of sin” :) , the girls .. oppps and guys .. will be protected.. the customers will have some measure of protection (health checks maybe ?) And the rest can have the satisfaction that they finally got their hypocritical heads out of their own assholes and we can all get on with life..
Oh ya … and all the do gooders out their that want to “save” some women from themselves, (the do gooders saving the so called hookers) can spot them a lot easier, and probably would get the same results.. and free up time to work on other problems in this world that could come to a logical and meaningful conclusion, other than attempting to Ban the sex trade?
As a person who has travelled world wide, and has seen the effects of both legalized prostitution and non legalized prostitution, I can say definately, most definately that legalized prostitution is the way to go. You are not going to get rid of it …. pop your head outta your ass and live with it !!
I just found this article, I may be from the US but the truth is this is going to happen anyway so why not make it completely legal and have some government regulations in place to protect the women and their clients, and get them the same coverage that other tax paying workers get, here in the US prostitution is illegal everywhere except in Nevada but it cannot be in counties over a certain population amount
so basically it is legal there except for in the county where Las Vegas and Reno is at(that is weird huh) but in most states producing porn is legal, paying women to have sex in front of a camera is legal but having sex in a private room is not, yes we need to reconsider our laws here, Pennsylvania has been debating for years over this and it is getting to a point they are going to have to deal with it, there are women who has no business out there due to disease or other issues, but there are some who can and wants to that of their own free will and if they legalize it, it will put alot of these places I call skin shops out of business and the state gets a new tax base that can be worth in the 8 figures. Good luck Canada with your new freedom.
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I’m moving to Toronto
In my opinion legalization of prostitution could perhaps get a little out of hand, but it would certainly eliminate the middle man? Well no! If prostitution is legalized a system would have to be set up in place for protection of the prostitute and client! If a woman has a license to exchange money for sex, there definately would be more danger toward a woman who goes out on her own with no protection of an agency. Futhermore, danger will lurk for these women even more than is already out there. Seriously do think about it! Escort agencies are set in place for many reasons. The women who walk on the street are on the street for a reason. The ones who are set up through an agency usually have a good purpose behind their employment with that angency. The ones walk on the street usually have a drug problem or have ripped off angencies or the clients set up through these agencies. I believe that if prostitution is legalized that a prostitute should have to go through an angency because making money is a privilege and should not be abused by anyone who uses drugs or rips people off!!!
What these laws did prevent was human trafficking & sex slaveing.The individual whom has suggested she has the legal right to cancel canadas laws has as little interest in human rights as the people she represents who run the human trafficking/sex slaveing buissness. It’s about as legal as chief justice of the high court sir Garfield Barwick suggested as giveing john kerr the legal right to dismiss australias prime minister Gough Whitlam which was nothing more then a communist criminal act against every australian citizen & Gough Whitlam.Garfield didnt prove anything to australian citizens because he couldnt. Justice Susan Himel wont prove to canadian citizens she has the legal right to cancel thier laws because she doesn’t.Look at all the countrys that didnt have human trafficking & sex slaveing 4 decades ago but do know & you will find her proffession has done what she has. Cleared the way for these crimes to enter those countrys by saying they had the legal right to? This charter mentioned, is it really canadas charter or would it be the charter of a group of communists in communist switzeland? John Slave of communist australia
Sex is a basic need like water air and oxygen. And men are going to continue to need and pay for sex and so what. there is nothing wrong with paying for a basic need. I think it will be a win win situation for men women and people who become the abused will be much less of that. Let the police work where they are really needed in eliminating gangs and criminals
Selling yourself for money… Come on off it. How do people veiw this as ok? Perhaps we should send these girls to college, or something so they can get a real job. Get them off the crack, and MAKE THEM WORK… as they’re obviously totally clueless.
It is about time the women in this country are frigid or are looking to africa for sex the men in this country need trade women to do what there useless wives are not.
This is to pay for college why do you think they do this.you people need to get a life. The only ones with a problem is women not doing there man right and the guy has to go looking or your a filthy wench that he can not stand.
Anyone who thinks legalizing the sex trade will protect the women in it are ignorant. It’s called human sex trafficking for a reason: people who are in the industry are NOT there because they want to be! They are slaves! There are more slaves in the world now then there have ever been in HISTORY! Open your eyes people!
here are a few comments to Tory and your long list of “conditions”
that she/he hopes will discourage prostitution.
a. Tax packages for what ever package is bought
— thats the point of legalization. you can regulate it, tax it. its better for the economy and raises tax revenue. also money can be put towards special services and care for workers and johns. you also save money on the vice squad that keep reporting that the legal system is just one big revolving door. also, over crowding in jails can become a burden on the governments in charge of balancing the budgets. it also saves money for guy on having to take a girl out for a date with no gurantees of getting any action below the belt. it also saves money on divorce. Charlie Sheen paid Denise Richards millions in their divorce settle ment and his last wife is getting 55K a month and 1.7 million in child support. the average los vegas hooker charges $1500 a hour. thats a bargain for a guy like him and for many wealthy and successful men. and with good compitition it may even be a bargain for the average guy as opposed to the costs of dating, wedding, marraige and divorce combined.
b. Legal names of the Johns visiting
— my concern about this is privacy. its a RIGHT. if i were a prostitute the only reason i would care about a legal name is to match face and name to a doc outlining my John’s STD status. but if the goal is to produce a public list of men going to brothels or soliciting the services of prostitutes, we have a big problem for obviouse reasons.
c. Requirement for any John buying the service for STD checks
–I have no problem with that. next…
d. The Johns medical doctor must be informed of the visits directly from the Bawdy house, otherwise licence must be revoked
–unnessasary and discriminatory. doctors are not required to be notified if their patient buys alcohol or cigaretts. if you are already requiring Johns to get tested, whats the point? if you care about the health of johns then maybe you should require that doctors get notificed when their patients buy a Donuts from Timmy’s or a Big Mac from McD’s.
e. Since government is liable for allowing the service, the spouse of all Johns must be notified of the visits to disclaim an event of STD tramsmission to spouse
–gov’t is not liable for any such thing. men and women cheat on each other all the time for FREE. no one is required by law to gets tested for STDs and no one is required to notify spouses of free sexual encouters. with legalized prostitution we can regulate and require STD testing, making it safer for everyone. as for the moral arguements used to to justify spousal notification, i have a problem. people make the choice of their own volition to be intimate with another person. If you want to be in a relationship then pick someone that shares the values and morals as you and recognize the fact that you could make the wrong choice in partner. thats the risk you must bare to save of lonelyness. the governement is not required (and should not be required)to protect you from an untrustworthy spouse. if you want there to be a disclaimer it should be given to potential spouses before they get married.
f. The medical premium of all Johns MUST be increased
— why? like i said before. people have sex with strangers for free all the time and getting tested in not required. people who engage in free sex generally are not aware of their sex partners’ STD status at all. also, it is known that a high percentage of the general public use contracetives incorrectly. going to a professional is the safest best. you know for a fact that there is a safety standard in place. you know the prostitute has been trained (by law) to use protection correctly. IMO, you’ve got it backwards. its the johns and prostitute who should have their premiums lowered and everyone else should have them increased!
g. The Bawdy house must be placed in the middle of the city where every eye can see who goes in and comes out.
–yeah so you can humiliate and degrade people who engage in an act that doesnt harm you in anyway, simply because what they do doesnt fit your subjective moral standards. in wanting to shame others you only shame yourself. You are a BULLY!
h. Any prostitute found using a non govt approved location (like residential home) for the service must get a jail time.
–I dont know about jail time. how about fines instead? do you wanna pay for room and board for someone who is not actually hurting anyone? do you wanna take a productive, tax paying citizen off the streets so that your tax dollars can go to housing and providing for them in prison? how stupid can you be? laws are ment to protect the public. what your neibors do behind four walls doesnt concern you unless they are being a nuicance (taking up public parking, disturbing the peace, littering…etc). otherwise you should just close your curtains and MYOB. again, people can legally invite strangers to their homes for free sex now. tell me how does this become a problem as soon as money exchange hands?
the only reason i would be against someone operating a residential brothel is if the traffic in and out is large enough that its disturbing to the residential community. I’d feel the same way if someone wanted to run a daycare in their home.
“But what of the countless women forced into prostitution not by their own choice? I strongly believe that laws prohibiting the communication of and dependance on prostitution are there to protect those who are unwillingly taking part in sex trade in our country.”
–First of all, a woman has the choice to be in an abusive relationship. she also has the choice to call 911 if she is being abused. protitutes should have the same rights. a woman who if forced to work at Burger King by her husband and then required to give him her entire pay check is just as at risk. but we dont make buying and selling a Whopper illegal. you are wrongfully assuming that, if prostitution is legalized, the women who will go into prostitution are being pressured into it. as if equating pressure to being shackled and confined like a prisoner. Yes, people do get pressured into certain lines of work. it happens with many different industries. but the actual enslavement happens when prostitution is illegal and driven underground. giving workers a choices and rights to protection, makes them less likely from them to be expoited and abused. what they do with their money after that is NOYB.
as can anyone can guess I am 100% for the legalization of prostitution. its stupid to criminalize taking money for a service that can be given away for free legally.
This is against any person who has any small fraction of morality, and that is my opinion.. And I’m entitled to it… Just like it seems prostitutes are entitled to selling their body. This is just opening the way for a modern Canada… Where we are the new age thinkers, where we have a Judge who says that the prostitution laws are going again these poor womens right… Awwwww cry me a fucking river. Instead of protecting the woman that fully choose out of free will to do this.. They should look for the ones that are being FORCED. To all the prostitutes out there…. McDonald’s is hiring.
HAS THIS JUDGE LOST HIS MIND?! This better not become legal or this country is in for protest, outrage & massive problems from the majority of Canada! It is an utter disgrace to even entertain the notion of legalizing prostitution! Don’t judge prostitution & the industry? Hello?! YOU BET WE WILL… hey be sure to make drug use, theft & murder legal as well…they are hard working “jobs” in need of protection arent they? It’s pretty CLEAR to the world what this pathetic judge & the rest of the intellectually challenged supporters like to do in their free time. PSST… cats outta the bag freaks! ;)
thats good but these woman need to b careful who they r with cause u cannot trust no one these days an these woman should use condoms to protect them selfs an others from stds these woman should get tested for aids an carry somthin to show there results
I see nothing wrong with the churches not paying taxes. The people belonging to our churches do. They also pay for the upkeep by donating their hard earned money to them. A good many members also vollunteer to do repairs and cleaning. Priests, pasters ect also act as councellors for the parishiners saving on money spent on councellors paid by our governments like our Canadian Health Care system which we are heavily taxed for here.
I think legalizing prostitution is a bad thing.
Unless the country is going to police it, it will become a problem.
Using New Zealand as an example, they legalized prostitution. The law states that prostitutes must work out of a brothel establishment, which many choose not to do, because they would have to declare their earnings and pay tax, and they must pay a percentage to the owner of the brothel. Many if not most, work on the streets, or out of their apartment buildings, because they don’t want to declare their earnings. This means that solicitors patrol the streets, apartment complexes, even areas around schools.
Prostitutes defecate in the streets, around playgrounds, in hallways or stairwells of buildings. It’s becoming more common to find condoms left, not only on the street, but school playgrounds in certain parts of town.
There is this public discourse from prostitution organizations that it is a means for young women to pay for their education and that the cause is only noble, but the girls I saw on the streets did not look normal. I saw pimps who had girls dress up as Miley Cyrus school girls and hang outside our building. Often we were coming home late after work and the pimp would be blocking our door. We would often have people come into our apartment looking for prostitutes. This profession does not attract people who are ‘like everybody else’. We had to call the police many times as men would refuse to leave our premises. A large portion of the men were foreign, middle eastern, and aggressive. I am sure there are exceptions, but many men soliciting sex don’t view these women in a respectful way.
The idea that legalizing prostitution will curb all the problems of prostitution is very unrealistic. This country has enough problems in how it functions to prosecute and implement laws. It’s hard enough to get justice from the courts or institutions such as the police, so how will it change for prostitution?
For a few years back in 1978 until the communication law was put into effect. In 1978 the Hutt decision, deemed soliciting had to be pressing and persistent.
It will not lead to lawlessness anymore than back then. Sweden is hypocritical to criminalize men.
And instead, you would faitlctaie our currently very limited capacity for proving the details necessary for conviction under current law by…?Increased and more efficient enforcement is not creating a middleman.
i agree and disagree , agree that its their choice their body its a career for some people and no one can change that, but i also think people need to control their body cause their just spreading AIDS.
@Tony
“This is very easy:
1. Parliament should approve exactly the request of the Judge with the following conditions:
a. Tax packages for what ever package is bought
b. Legal names of the Johns visiting
c. Requirement for any John buying the service for STD checks
d. The Johns medical doctor must be informed of the visits directly from the Bawdy house, otherwise licence must be revoked
e. Since government is liable for allowing the service, the spouse of all Johns must be notified of the visits to disclaim an event of STD tramsmission to spouse
f. The medical premium of all Johns MUST be increased
g. The Bawdy house must be placed in the middle of the city where every eye can see who goes in and comes out.
h. Any prostitute found using a non govt approved location (like residential home) for the service must get a jail time.
i. Mandatory STD checks for all Prostitutes
These will shut them up forever as it is standard business practice.”
You my friend, are lacking common sense and general intelligence. I sure hope you are joking about this list.
Why do people like you even care about this? If you don’t like it, don’t partake. You’re advocating against an issue that doesn’t directly affect you. You’re no better than people who protested Howard Stern’s radio show back in the day… if you don’t like what Howard has to say, CHANGE THE STATION.
This falls into the good ol’ saying of what happens behind closed doors is nobody’s business. They have kept the street prostitution illegal so as to not allow the street walkers to interfere with society on a more personable level.
Why would anyone legalize prostitution? Having sex or offering any form of a sexual act is not a job you cannot compare selling your body to a regular job. You just offered society to go pay for an std i live in onatrio and i see twenty yr olds and 16 yr olds do it i once asked her if she liked it and she said no but she was waiting to be put on odsp because she had to many medical issues to work and had rent and a two yr old to support and how they use a knife as a weapon to protect themselves. And how alot of the men are very cruel. Most of these woman are on a constant high to deal with this profession escorting is different from prostituting. And even if you keep it hidden from the street you just sent a message to children selling your body is okay. Respecting your body is wrong? You increased the risk of hiv half of our population and some cities are high rated in stds because of sex workers but isnt put in the media but if you talk to one theyll tell you. You just gave pedophiles more access whats next pedophiles and rapist and incest will be legalized to? Its not a real job its a hobby its a personal intimacy but woman just use men as bank machines theyre lazy they want more a simple job isnt good enough. Why not higher the minimum wage offer more jobs more positions. Offer more help? Its easier to legalize sex because we live in a sexual world than it is to fix the problem because we live in such a recession. You wont sleep with your husband and charge him but youll offer sex and a bonus of stds and charge them how pathetic ladies.
As a former prostitute I can assure you pimps don’t protect. This is the best news ever. I better get in shape because now that I am 47 and I can do this legally…um..wow..and I just got out of a bad 27 yr marraige, why not. I think the going rates are the same. Now I have a house. My kids are gone…the oilsands guys could probably use another way to spend money other than drinking and fighting in bars and the “snow” thing there is sad. Those guys doing “snow” out of boredom or to keep them awake is not a very big subject but it should be. So instead of doing “snow” guys in the oilsands,,you could do me! Sex is way better for your health than “snow”…tbc
First off, pimps do exist. They are not just in the movies. There are countries out there who kidnapp women and sell them for sex.. without their consent .. and children are involved too.. whoever says that pimps do not exist is oblivious abou what is going on in the world. Canada might not be subject to pimping but that is because it is considered kidnapping and that is why it is less likely for someone to want to run that business in Canada.. but in Canada there are those who have a chain of prostitutional rings and they are considered to be that term.. just cause you do not force women to be in your sex business does not mean you are not a pimp if you are just running the business. Unless you are a prostitute that is running her own business.
This is disgusting! This will do nothing more than promote more trafficking of sex slaves! Shame on you CANANDA!!!!!
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This is probably quite old by now (I just happened upon this article while surf-skipping), but I must say, you have really come across beautifully. After reading the original “List” I was just as frustrated as you seem to be at the rediculousness and utter lack of common sense contained there in. As I continued to scroll I became more and more disappointed that all I saw were poorly written, atrociously spelled comments by seemingly dull-witted people who just do not seem to “get it”.
Then I read your rebuttal to “Tory’s Conditions” and, my faith in the intelligence of humanity as a whole, was restored. You said everything I was gearing up to say myself, thus saving me the time, and allowing me instead to reply positively to you!
So kudos! Good job! And Thank you for being intelligent and taking the time to spell words like “to” instead of hitting the “2” key! And THANK YOU for knowing how to use “you are” instead of “ur” or “your”! You’re appreciated!
FROM WIKIPEDIA …. “While the prohibition of the activities surrounding the sex trade makes it difficult to practice prostitution without breaking any law, the act of exchanging sex for money has never been illegal in Canada,”
GET BUSY, RHONI …. you got a lot of PROTESTING and OUTRAGING TO DO !!!!!
For all those people who work independently it is a choice, and I hope this law would create a safer venue for the sex trade, but what about those who don’t have the choice and are forced into the sex via human trafficking. Do you really think the Pimp gives them their fair cute of the profits and treats them with respect?
To allow legalized brothels, you have now created an environment for these low life pimps (Galloway Boys, Hells Angels) to now legally hide their activities. And if you think these groups will be discovered and stopped you are kidding yourself. The girls, under the rule of these criminal organizations, will never report the abuse to police for fear of being killed. It’s a double edged sword.
I now see Germany regrets legalizing it and Holland is now having second thoughts as well.
I agree we need laws to protect those who independently chose this life style, but like any law there are those criminal elements who are now going to use it to their advantage